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Noor-us-Sunnah

The weird excuses of Shias.
« on: December 28, 2017, 06:26:32 PM »
Let us collect the weird excuses some Shias brought up to protect the flaws in their beliefs.


This one by brother furqan:

Issue: Marriage of Umar(ra) with Umm kulthum bint Ali(ra).

Excuse : Umm Kulthum was replaced by Jinn and the Jinn married to Umar.

Noor-us-Sunnah

Re: The weird excuses of Shias.
« Reply #1 on: December 28, 2017, 06:29:47 PM »
Issue: Two Daughters of Prophet(saws) married Uthman.

Excuse: The three daughters of Prophet(saws), where his step daughters. Not his biological daughters.

Noor-us-Sunnah

Re: The weird excuses of Shias.
« Reply #2 on: December 28, 2017, 06:33:20 PM »
Issue: There is no clear verse in Quran about Imamah of Twelve Imams after Prophet(saws).

Excuse: Quran has been tampered. Some of its portion has been omitted by Sahaba.

Noor-us-Sunnah

Re: The weird excuses of Shias.
« Reply #3 on: December 28, 2017, 06:49:10 PM »
Issue: Ahlelbayt naming their children with names such as Abu bakr, Umar, Ayesha, out of millions of Arab names available to them.

Excuse: These were random Arab names.

Noor-us-Sunnah

Re: The weird excuses of Shias.
« Reply #4 on: December 28, 2017, 06:57:49 PM »
Issue: Imam named his elder son as the succeeding Imam, but then this son died during the lifetime of Imam, hence the Imamate was granted to his another son.

Excuse: Allah did bada in this matter.

furhan

Re: The weird excuses of Shias.
« Reply #5 on: December 28, 2017, 09:09:34 PM »
Issue: Why did Ali RA not oppose the complete banning of mut’ah but some other companions did?

Excuse: Taqiyya (of course)

furhan

Re: The weird excuses of Shias.
« Reply #6 on: December 28, 2017, 09:13:30 PM »
Issue: Why are their no books of seerah from shia sources that predate 1000 AH; but there are countless volumes on mut’ah and self flagellation?

Excuse: Ummayids/Abbasids burnt our books

furhan

Re: The weird excuses of Shias.
« Reply #7 on: December 28, 2017, 09:19:00 PM »
Issue: 3 of the 12 imams were under 10 years old when they became imam. They’ll say that sunnis accuse the prophet SAW of being irresponsible for leaving the issue of successorship to his senior companions; but leaving 6 years in charge of a vast caliphate is absolutely fine.

Excuse: Jesus AS was young when he recieved revelation.

furhan

Re: The weird excuses of Shias.
« Reply #8 on: December 28, 2017, 09:26:36 PM »
Issue: Umar RA attacked Fatima SA, caused her to have a miscarriage and drove nails through her stomach which caused the miscarriage. Yet the next day she’s up and about and marches over to Abu Bakr.... she doesn’t ask about why Abu Bakr has supposedly denied the prophet’s SAW will, doesn’t ask about why Ali RA has been usurped, doesn’t ask for revenge for Muhsin - she asks for FADAK. Why doesn’t she ask for the Caliphate back for Ali or something more important.

Excuse: Taqiyya to keep unity; fabricated sermon which condemned Abu Bakr etc etc

furhan

Re: The weird excuses of Shias.
« Reply #9 on: December 28, 2017, 09:29:25 PM »
Issue: Imams deliberately drank poison and committed suicide seeing as they had Ilm ul-gayb.

Excuse: Hussein RA knew he’d die, so it’s absolutely fine for his descendants to drink poison deliberately.

furhan

Re: The weird excuses of Shias.
« Reply #10 on: December 28, 2017, 09:33:43 PM »
Issue: Why is Abdullah Ibn Abbas RA not considered Ahlul Bayt, but Sistani/Other shia Marja are considered “Sayed” and from the prophet’s family?

Excuse: Hadith Kisa, only their descendents (despite it not mentioning the rest of the Imams)

furhan

Re: The weird excuses of Shias.
« Reply #11 on: December 28, 2017, 09:35:55 PM »
Issue: Why are there so many authentic (as per shia standards) narrations in which the infallible imams completely contradict each other?

Excuse: yup you guessed it, Taqiyya.

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Re: The weird excuses of Shias.
« Reply #12 on: December 29, 2017, 12:49:36 AM »
« Last Edit: December 29, 2017, 12:52:12 AM by MuslimK »
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MuslimAnswers

Re: The weird excuses of Shias.
« Reply #13 on: December 29, 2017, 10:01:12 PM »
Issue: 'Ali (RAA) during his Khilaphate very clearly made appointments, demotions, etc. that in the context of Infallibility and his supposed knowledge cannot be seen as benefiting humanity at large.

Excuse: Allah the Exalted acts in the same manner with humanity, even though both Allah and 'Ali are perfect and omniscient.

Khaled

Re: The weird excuses of Shias.
« Reply #14 on: December 30, 2017, 01:16:37 AM »
"Ayat at-Tatheer" is "hidden" between verses about the Prophet صلى الله عليه وسلم's wives because those verses are talking about their hijab, and there is a hijab on the verses hiding their true meaning from Sunnis...

كلُّ سُلامى من الناس عليه صدقة كلَّ يوم تطلع فيه الشمس، تَعدلُ بين اثنين صدقة، وتعين الرَّجل في دابَّته فتحمله عليها أو ترفع له عليها متاعَه صدقة، والكلمةُ الطيِّبة صدقة، وبكلِّ خطوة تَمشيها إلى الصلاة صدقة، وتُميط الأذى عن الطريق صدقة

MuslimAnswers

Re: The weird excuses of Shias.
« Reply #15 on: December 30, 2017, 08:05:34 AM »
Issue: "Take a look at what Mr. Nakhshawani, Allahyari, Kamal Haydari and Yasir Habib are saying, it certainly is a problem for anyone who watches it."

Excuse: "These people are Akhbaris not Usulis. Nay, they are not even Shias, rather they are random people picked up from the street and paid by the UK, Kuwait and the UAE to make Shiaism look bad."

Zlatan Ibrahimovic

Re: The weird excuses of Shias.
« Reply #16 on: December 30, 2017, 09:29:34 AM »
My man starts a war where thousands die cause his relative died

Excuse; ijtihada fa akhta lol
محور المقاومة والممانعة

Hadrami

Re: The weird excuses of Shias.
« Reply #17 on: December 30, 2017, 02:46:41 PM »
Issue: Our infallible leader is hidden & we dont know when he will reappear
Excuses why he is not around:
- he was afraid to be killed
- there are no 313 supporters
- it is a test
- he benefit us like a sun behind a cloud
- Isa AS, people of the cave etc

lets be creative like shia and make up other excuses 😁😁

Mythbuster1

Re: The weird excuses of Shias.
« Reply #18 on: December 30, 2017, 04:18:01 PM »
Oh yeah......Mawla means...DIVINE LEADERSHIP.....our prophet saw raised Ali ra’s hand and said he is MAWLA!!!!

That’s it!!!

You believe that.......then you are a true Shiite maumin.

iceman

Re: The weird excuses of Shias.
« Reply #19 on: December 31, 2017, 11:29:45 PM »
☺ Anything positive, useful, constructive, meaningful or right about the Shia, or are we still living in the times of ignorance? 😀 Come on, there's got to be one thing even? Grudge and hatred still lives for the Shias even 1400 years and onwards.

 

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