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Title: Weak and Fabricated Shia Books
Post by: fgss on July 16, 2020, 05:12:20 PM
Here are some.

1. Tafsir al-Qummi
2. Tafsir al-Askari
3. Book of Sulaym ibn Qays
4. Masail al-Sarwariyyah
5. Basair al-Darajaat (may be)
6. Fiqh al-Reza

Any other books? If anyone knows?
Title: Re: Weak and Fabricated Shia Books
Post by: fgss on July 17, 2020, 11:16:11 AM
4. Masail Sarawiyah attributed to Mufid

Some more

7. Nahjul Israr
8. Ghurar al-hakm

Title: Re: Weak and Fabricated Shia Books
Post by: Rationalist on July 19, 2020, 03:27:43 PM
It also depends on the 12er Shia. There are some 12er Shia who believe Kitab al Sulaym ibn Qays is authentic. If you show you hadith about 13 Imams they will go into denial mode and tell you its still 12. Also this book is their proof that Umar allegedly killed Fatima so many emotional 12ers do not want to give it up.
Title: Re: Weak and Fabricated Shia Books
Post by: fgss on July 20, 2020, 11:01:58 AM
Because they prefer emotions over intellect to such an extent that they even dare to neglect clear commands of Quran.

[49:6] O you who have believed, if there comes to you a disobedient one with information, investigate, lest you harm a people out of ignorance and become, over what you have done, regretful.

Even Prophets used to confirm the news before believing.

[27:27] [Solomon] said, "We will see whether you were truthful or were of the liars.
Title: Re: Weak and Fabricated Shia Books
Post by: fgss on July 20, 2020, 11:15:03 AM
From the book Tradition and Survival: A Bibliographical Survey of Early Shi'ite Literature (Volume 1), by Hossein Modarresi

Sulaym b. Qays al-Hilalı, allegedly a Kufan disciple of ‘Alı who escaped from Kufa eastward when Hajjaj cracked down on the pro-‘Alıd elements in Kufa. He went into hiding in the town of Nawbandagan in Iran’s southern province of Fars where he later died while Hajjaj (d. 95) was still in power. It is, however, obvious that such a person never existed and that the name is only a pen name used for the sole purpose of launching an anti-Umayyad polemic in the troublesome later years of that dynasty.

This is the oldest surviving Shı‘ite book and one of the rare examples of works surviving from the Umayyad period. The original core of the work which is preserved to a great extent in the current version is definitely from the reign of Hisham b. ‘Abd al-Malik (r. 105–25), almost certainly from the final years of his reign when the long-established Umayyad hegemony was already under threat from troubles concerning his succession. There are repeated references in the work to the twelve unjust rulers who usurped the leadership of the Muslim community after the Prophet: the first two caliphs, ‘Uthman, Mu‘awiya, his son Yazıd, and “seven members from the offspring of al-Hakam b. Abı’l-‘A s, the first of them being Marwan” (Kitab Sulaym: 110, 174, 175, 205; see also 136, 170, 200). From among the Shı‘ite Imams, only the first five are mentioned by name, and it is said that the Imamate will continue in the descendants of Muhammad b. ‘Alı b. al-Husayn (al-Baqir) (ibid.: 206; see also 168). Likewise, it is stated that the “masters of Paradise” among the descendants of ‘Abd al-Muttalib were the Prophet, ‘Alı, his brother Ja‘far, their uncle Hamza, Hasan and Husayn, Fatima, and the Mahdı (ibid.: 217; see Kafi 1: 450, 8: 49–50 for other similar statements from the period; these statements obviously predate the formulation of the Imamite theory that considers the Imams to be more excellent than anyone other than the prophets, including Ja‘far and Hamza, a theory already present by early ‘Abbasid period). The hope was that one of the offspring of Fatima (Kitab Sulaym: 140), more specifically a descendant of Husayn (ibid.: 175), would overthrow the Umayyad government.

The Shı‘ites at the time were reckoned to be only seventy thousand. The book focuses only on Kufa, describing the situation of the Shı‘ites there in some detail (ibid.: 180–82), a clear indication that the book is from that city, and possibly also suggesting that Shı‘ism had not yet spread beyond that region in any noticeable way. The language of the book is eschatological, depicting some of the historical events of the first century of Islam as seen through a Shı‘ite perspective in the form of prophecies from the Prophet and ‘Alı. In common with books of this nature up to our time, the prophecies have been updated in two or three stages in later periods by the insertion of words or sentences here and there. There is thus a reference in two passages of the book to the black banners from the East that would bring the Umayyad caliphate to an end (ibid.: 157, 175). The reference is obviously an updating and does not necessarily point to a Hashimite Shı‘ite sympathy, as the book has a clear ‘Alıd, pro-Husaynid provenance. There is also a reference to twelve (sic) Imams from among the descendants of ‘Alı who would succeed him (ibid.: 217–18). The relevant passage is inserted in a paragraph that describes how God looked at the people of the earth and selected from among them the Prophet and ‘Alı as his chosen ones. (This follows the statement about the masters of Paradise noted above). The passage then continues by asserting that God then took a second glance (at the earth) and chose, after the Prophet and ‘Alı, twelve legatees of the descendants of the Prophet to be the elect of his community in each generation.
Title: Re: Weak and Fabricated Shia Books
Post by: fgss on July 20, 2020, 11:27:12 AM
About Basair al-Darajaat
Title: Question On Amr-ibn-Al-As
Post by: addis ababa on July 22, 2020, 12:23:58 AM
Isn't it true that Amr ibn Al-as fled naked away from Imam Ali (A.S)? I can't find any sources.
Title: Re: Weak and Fabricated Shia Books
Post by: MuslimK on July 22, 2020, 11:37:46 AM
^ Sounds like a forgery.