So called infallible take knowledge from fallible Sahabi and destroy 12erism

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Ebn Hussein

Often in the vast amount of sources and detailed discussion about the shubuhat of the Rafidah main sources are neglected. Among these main sources is a rock-solid narration, Sahih, supported by numerous Qara'in (supportive evidence) that completely destroys the entire foundation of 12erism. Yes, one narration is enough for the non-biased truth-seeker to see the Rafidah religion being flushed down the toilet, as this narration does not contain some Sunni bias, rather it contains what many other narrations state such as:

1. NONE of the Ahl Al-Bayt (except their master, Rasulullah) were infallible
2. The Ahl Al-Bayt themselves never heard of the myth of following 12 Imams of the Ahl Al-Bayt only (they also didn't use the 12 CALIPH hadith that has nothing to do with 12 IMAMS who never ruled except 2)
3. The Ahl Al-Bayt themselves went to FALLIBLE Sahabah (remember, the apostates or in the best case those who neglected the rights of the Ahl Al-Bayt, according to the Rafidah) and ENQUIRED about knowledge of the deen, including past events that they did not attend (i.e. they did NOT inherit all Islamic knowledge from the Prophet nor did they have any share of the Ghayb as the Rafidah claim).

The narration (note what the "Nasibi" Sunnis "who neglected the Ahl Al-Bayt" narrated, a narration about one of the most important Islamic events in history through a chain of the giants of the Ahl Al-Bayt!) is a bit long but it's worth it to read it carefully (my comments are in blue brackets):

"[...] JAFAR (AL-SADIQ) IBN MUHAMMAD  (AL-BAQIR) IBN ALI AL-HUSSEIN (ZAYN AL-ABIDIN) NARRATED on the authority of his father (i.e. AL-BAQIR):"We went to Jabir b. Abdullah and he began inquiring about the people (who had gone to see him) till it was my turn[infallible Imam who possesses the knowledge of all Prophets, including the final Prophet, since his birth and before creation even, has nothing better to do but visiting a blind, fallible Sahabi who never believed in myths such as the Imamate of 12 Imam]. I said: I am Muhammad b. 'Ali b. Husain (Al-Baqir). He placed his hand upon my head and opened my upper button and then the lower one and then placed his palm on my chest (in order to bless me), and I was, during those days, a young boy, and he said: You are welcome, my nephew. Ask whatever you want to ask. And I asked him but as he was blind (he could not respond to me immediately), and the time for prayer came. He stood up covering himself in his mantle. And whenever he placed its ends upon his shoulders they slipped down on account of being short (in size). Another mantle was, however, lying on the clothes rack near by. And he led us in the prayer. I said to him: Tell me about the Hajj of Allah's Messenger (May peace be upon him)[infallible Imam with unlimited knowledge goes has nothing better to do but asking a blind and fallible Sahabi about the Hajj, whereas if Shiism was true the other way should be true, i.e. the blind Sahabi asking Al-Baqir!]. And he pointed with his hand nine, and then stated: The Messenger of Allah (peace be upon him) stayed in (Medina) for nine years but did not perform Hajj, then he made a public announcement in the tenth year to the effect that Allah's Messenger (peace be upon him) was about to perform the Hajj. A large number of persons came to Medina [of course, since it was his FAREWALL Hajj, let's see if the Prophet mentioned ANYTHING about the tenents of Shiism or 12 Imams or Ali on that day]and all of them were anxious to follow the Messenger of Allah (May peace be upon him) and do according to his doing. [according to Shiism most of them were greedy caliphate hungry to-be apostates and renegades, anxious to snitch the Caliphate]We set out with him till we reached Dhu'l-Hulaifa. Asma' daughter of Umais gave birth to Muhammad b. Abu Bakr. She sent message to the Messenger of Allah (May peace be upon him) asking him: What should I do? He (the Holy Prophet) said: Take a bath, bandage your private parts and put on Ihram. The Messenger of Allah (May peace be upon him) then prayed in the mosque and then mounted al-Qaswa (his she-camel) and it stood erect with him on its back at al-Baida'. And I saw as far as I could see in front of me but riders and pedestrians, and also on my right and on my left and behind me like this. And the Messenger of Allah (peace be upon him) was prominent among us and the (revelation) of the Holy Qur'an was descending upon him. [and wallahi, not a single revelation about Ali or 12 Imams on that day, that is why Shias resort to weak and fabricated narrations to prove that the last verse of the Qur'an was revealed on that day] And it is he who knows (its true) significance. And whatever he did, we also did that. He pronounced the Oneness of Allah (saying):" Labbaik,0 Allah, Labbaik, Labbaik. Thou hast no partner, praise and grace is Thine and the Sovereignty too; Thou hast no partner." And the people also pronounced this Talbiya which they pronounce (today)[the same Talbiya that is distorted by Shias today with slogans such as "Labbayka Ya Hussein"]. The Messenger of Allah (May peace be upon him) did not reject anything out of it. But the Messenger of Allah (May peace. be upon him) adhered to his own Talbiya. Jabir (Allah be pleased with him) said: We did not have any other intention but that of Hajj only, being unaware of the Umra (at that season), but when we came with him to the House, he touched the pillar and (made seven circuits) running three of them and walking four. And then going to the Station of Ibrahim, he recited:" And adopt the Station of Ibrahim as a place of prayer." And this Station was between him and the House. My father said (and I do not know whether he had made a mention of it but that was from Allah's Apostle [May peace be upon him] that he recited in two rak'ahs:" say: He is Allah One," and say:" Say: 0 unbelievers." He then returned to the pillar (Hajar Aswad) and kissed it. He then went out of the gate to al-Safa' and as he reached near it he recited:" Al-Safa' and al-Marwa are among the signs appointed by Allah," (adding: ) I begin with what Allah (has commanded me) to begin. He first mounted al-Safa' till he saw the House, and facing Qibla he declared the Oneness of Allah and glorified Him, and said:" There is no god but Allah, One, there is no partner with Him. His is the Sovereignty. to Him praise is due. and He is Powerful over everything. There is no god but Allah alone, Who fulfilled His promise, helped His servant and routed the confederates alone." He then made supplication in the course of that saying such words three times . He then descended and walked towards al-Marwa, and when his feet came down in the bottom of the valley, he ran, and when he began to ascend he walked till he reached al-Marwa. There he did as he had done at al-Safa'.note how the prayers of Rasulullah resemble the prayers of Sunnis, Tawhid pure, no prayers or invocation to any saint, angel or future hidden Imams. He could do that as Shias do to teach the masses, but of course he did not, as paganism wasn't part of his creed nor part of the creed of the MuslimAnd when it was his last running at al-Marwa he said: If I had known beforehand what I have come to know afterwards, I would not have brought sacrificial animals and would have performed an 'Umra. So, he who among you has not the sacrificial animals with him should put off Ihram and treat it as an Umra. Suraqa b. Malik b. Ju'sham got up and said: Messenger of Allah, does it apply to the present year, or does it apply forever? Thereupon the Messenger of Allah (May peace be upon him) intertwined the fingers (of one hand) into another and said twice: The 'Umra has become incorporated in the Hajj (adding):" No, but for ever and ever." 'All came from the Yemen with the sacrificial animals for the Prophet (May peace be upon him) and found Fatimah (Allah be pleased with her) to be one among those who had put off Ihram and had put on dyed clothes and had applied antimony. He (Ali) showed disapproval to it, whereupon she said: My father has commanded me to do this. He (the narrator) said that 'Ali used to say in Iraq: I went to the Messenger of Allah (peace be upon him) showing annoyance at Fatimah [both Ali and Fatimah were not infallible and like any other human being and couple they had disagreements, yet in the black-and-white world of Shiism, both are portrayed as demigods] for what she had done, and asked the (verdict) of Allah's Messenger (peace be upon him) regarding what she had narrated from him, and told him that I was angry with her [ANGRY? If Sunnis were as simpistic as Takfiri Shisa they could now argue that Ali is an enemy of Allah and his Messenger, for the Messenger said that whoever makes her angry makes Rasulullah angry, and as Ali was angry at at, that certainly made her upset ...], whereupon he said: She has told the truth, she has told the truth. (The Prophet then asked 'Ali): What did you say when you undertook to go for Hajj? I ('Ali) said: 0 Allah, I am putting on Ihram for the same purpose as Thy Messenger has put it on. He said: I have with me sacrificial animals, so do not put off the Ihram. He (Jabir) said: The total number of those sacrificial animals brought by 'Ali from the Yemen and of those brought by the Apostle (peace be upon him) was one hundred. Then all the people except the Apostle (peace be upon him) and those who had with them sacrificial animals, put off Ihram, and got their hair clipped; when it was the day of Tarwiya (8th of Dhu'l-Hijja) they went to Mina and put on the Ihram for Hajj and the Messenger of Ailah rode and led the noon, afternoon, sunset 'Isha' and dawn prayers. He then waited a little till the sun rose, and commanded that a tent of hair should be pitched at Namira. The Messenger of Allah (peace be upon him) then set out and the Quraish did not doubt that he would halt at al-Mash'ar al-Haram (the sacred site) as the Quraish used to do in the pre-Islamic period. The Messenger of Allah (peace be upon him), however, passed on till he came to 'Arafa and he found that the tent had been pitched for him at Namira. There he got down till the sun had passed the meridian; he commanded that al-Qaswa should be brought and saddled for him. Then he came to the bottom of the valley, and addressed the people saying: Verily your blood, your property are as sacred and inviolable as the sacredness of this day of yours, in this month of yours, in this town of yours. Behold! Everything pertaining to the Days of Ignorance is under my feet completely abolished. Abolished are also the blood-revenges of the Days of Ignorance. The first claim of ours on blood-revenge which I abolish is that of the son of Rabi'a b. al-Harith, who was nursed among the tribe of Sa'd and killed by Hudhail. And the usury of she pre-Islamic period is abolished, and the first of our usury I abolish is that of 'Abbas b. 'Abd al-Muttalib, for it is all abolished. Fear Allah concerning women! Verily you have taken them on the security of Allah, and intercourse with them has been made lawful unto you by words of Allah. You too have right over them, and that they should not allow anyone to sit on your bed whom you do not like. But if they do that, you can chastise them but not severely. Their rights upon you are that you should provide them with food and clothing in a fitting manner. I have left among you the Book of Allah, and if you hold fast to it, you would never go astray. And you would be asked about me (on the Day of Resurrection), (now tell me) what would you say? They (the audience) said: We will bear witness that you have conveyed (the message), discharged (the ministry of Prophethood) and given wise (sincere) counsel. He (the narrator) said: He (the Holy Prophet) then raised his forefinger towards the sky and pointing it at the people (said):" O Allah, be witness. 0 Allah, be witness," saying it thrice. (Bilal then) pronounced Adhan and later on Iqama and he (the Holy Prophet) led the noon prayer. He (Bilal) then uttered Iqama and he (the Holy Prophet) led the afternoon prayer and he observed no other prayer in between the two. The Messenger of Allah (peace be upon him) then mounted his camel and came to the place of stay, making his she-camel al-Qaswa, turn towards the side where there we are rocks, having the path taken by those who went on foot in front of him, and faced the Qibla. He kept standing there till the sun set, and the yellow light had somewhat gone, and the disc of the sun had disappeared. He made Usama sit behind him, and he pulled the nosestring of Qaswa so forcefully that its head touched the saddle (in order to keep her under perfect control), and he pointed out to the people with his right hand to be moderate (in speed), and whenever he happened to pass over an elevated tract of sand, he slightly loosened it (the nose-string of his camel) till she climbed up and this is how he reached al-Muzdalifa. There he led the evening and 'Isha prayers with one Adhan and two Iqamas and did not glorify (Allah) in between them (i. e. he did not observe supererogatory rak'ahs between Maghrib and 'Isha' prayers). The Messenger of Allah (peace be upon him) then lay down till dawn and offered the dawn prayer with an Adhan and Iqama when the morning light was clear. He again mounted al-Qaswa, and when he came to al-Mash'ar al-Haram, he faced towards Qibla, supplicated Him, Glorified Him, and pronounced His Uniqueness (La ilaha illa Allah) and Oneness, and kept standing till the daylight was very clear. He then went quickly before the sun rose, and seated behind him was al-Fadl b. 'Abbas and he was a man having beautiful hair and fair complexion and handsome face. As the Messenger of Allah (May peace be upon him) was moving on, there was also going a group of women (side by side with them). Al-Fadl began to look at them. The Messenger of Allah (peace be upon him) placed his hand on the face of Fadl who then turned his face to the other side, and began to see, and the Messenger of Allah (peace be upon him) turned his hand to the other side and placed it on the face of al-Fadl. He again turned his face to the other side till he came to the bottom of Muhassir. He urged her (al-Qaswa) a little, and, following the middle road, which comes out at the greatest Jamra, he came to the Jamra which is near the tree. At this be threw seven small pebbles, saying Allahu Akbar while throwing every one of them in a manner in which the small pebbles are thrown (with the help of fingers) and this he did in the bottom of the valley. He then went to the place of sacrifice, and sacrificed sixty-three (camels) with his own hand. Then he gave the remaining number to 'All who sacrificed them, and he shared him in his sacrifice. He then commanded that a piece of flesh from each animal sacrificed should be put in a pot, and when it was cooked, both of them (the Prophet and Hadrat 'All) took some meat out of it and drank its soup. The Messenger of Allah (May peace be upon him) again rode and came to the House, and offered the Dhuhr prayer at Mecca. He came to the tribe of Abd al-Muttalib, who were supplying water at Zamzam, and said: Draw water. O Bani 'Abd al-Muttalib; were it not that people would usurp this right of supplying water from you, I would have drawn it along with you. So they handed him a basket and he drank from it.

[Sahih Muslim » The Book of Pilgrimage » Hadith
كتاب الحج 15 The Book of Pilgrimage]
« Last Edit: September 09, 2015, 03:58:27 AM by Ebn Hussein »
الإمام الشافعي رحمه الله
لم أر أحداً من أهل الأهواء أشهد بالزور من الرافضة! - الخطيب في الكفاية والسوطي.

Imam Al-Shafi3i - may Allah have mercy upon him - said: "I have not seen among the heretics a people more famous for falsehood than the Rafidah." [narrated by Al-Khatib Al-Baghdadi/Al-Kifayah]

Ebn Hussein

Important addition:

The most authentic hadith regarding the position of the Ahl Al-Bayt is in Sahih Muslim and it this narration does NOT contain the wording 'Itrah nor anything about following anyone of the Ahl Al-Bayt. What the Prophet (peace be upon him said) (at Ghadir and NOT at his last farewell) "I remind you (of your duties) to the members of my family" He did not say:  "I order/advise you to take your Deen from 12 Imams". This is why the Ummah (except Rafidis and diet-Rafidis like the Zaydis) has never believed nor will ever believe that the rulership/caliphate or the source of the knowledge should be restricted to the Ahl Al-Bayt (let alone within 12 particular individuals only). The Ahl Al-Bayt themselves never stated such thing and the narration in the previous post in this thread is narrated through a chain that includes Imam Al-Baqir and Al-Sadiq, and it is a narration about an event MORE important than Ghadir, it is about the FAREWELL speech of the Prophet (peace be upon him) where the Prophet mentioned animal rights, women rights etc. yet not a SINGLE word about Ali's so called divine right to rule or 12 infallible Imams.

Yes, there are narrations about the farewell which include the famous quote "wa Sunnati" (and follow my Sunnah) or other narrations where 'Itrati (stick to my progeny) is mentioned. There are scholars who authenticated the former and the later ('Itrati), like Al-Albani, however the most authentic narrations are:

- The long narration in Bukhari (by Al-Sadiq and Al-Baqir) that mention neither "Sunnati" nor "Itrati" at the farewell speech of the Prophet

- The hadith of Zayd in Sahih Muslim, about Ghadir where the Prophet did NOT ask the people of Madinah (they were addressed since they lived in the same town as the Ahl Al-Bayt i.e. he did not mention the Ahl Al-Bayt in Makkah) to follow his family, but rather to take care of them, respect their rights etc.

So what is closer to the truth - wallahu a'lam - is that the Prophet (peace be upon him) never said "wa Sunnati" (those narration contain weakness just like the 'itrati narrations outside the Sahih of Imam Muslim). I've read alot of takhrijs in regards to all its versions, and I must say, I personally believe it's weak. The version of 'ITRATI (i.e. STICKING to them AND that they NEVER SEPERATE from the Qur'an) is also not free from defects and is also weak (some scholars like Al-Albani authenticated it on the bases of SHAWAHID etc.). Imam Sadiq and Baqir's long narration state that the Prophet did not say that he left his progeny and Sunnah, rather he said he left the Qur'an, THE guidance that was memorised by the Sahabah and taught by the Sahabah and by their agreement it contained plenty verses about following the Messenger (hence it was never neccassary to mention that he leaves his Sunnah for us).

In other hadiths he also advised us to take the UNDERSTANDING of the Religion from (non-infallible)  companions (Ahl Al-Bayt included) such as Abdullah Ibn Abbas, Ubay Ibn Kaab, Ibn Masood etc.


Abu Burda reported on the authority of his father: We offered the sunset prayer along with Allaah's Prophet (sallAllaahu alayhi wa sallam). We then said: If we sit (along with Allaah's Messenger) and observe night prayer with him it would be very good, so we sat down and he came to us and said: You are still sitting here. I said: Allah's Messenger, we observed evening prayer with you, then we said: Let us sit down and observe night prayer along with you, whereupon he said: You have done well or you have done right. He then lifted his head towards the sky and it often happened that as he lifted his head towards the sky, he said: The stars are a source of security for the sky and when the stars disappear there comes to the sky, i. e. (it meets the same fate) as it has been promised (it would plunge into darkness). And I am a source of safety and security to my Companions and when I would go away there would fall to the lot (of my Companions) as they have been promised with and my Companions are a source of security for the Umma and as they would go there would fall to the lot of my Ummah as (its people) have been promised.

[Sahih Muslim No. 6147]


The Ahl Al-Sunnah are the balanced sect, not exaggerating with the Ahl Al-Bayt nor with the Sahabah. Contrary to Shia claims the Sunnis do not just do lip service, but actually narrated more authentic narrations from the Ahl Al-Bayt then the Rafidah with all their fabrications:

1. All Sunni narrations are from the effectively from the Ahl Al-Bayt, since we (unlike the Rafidah) narrate from the MASTER of the Ahl Al-Bayt, the Messenger of Allah (صل الله عليه و على آله و سلم) directly, not like Shias whose hadith in 90% cases start with "Imam Sadiq said ... Imam Baqir said" (with the excuse that what they say is what Rasulullah says i.e. they don't provide chains to the Prophet, very rarely they do).

2. As for ahadith of the Prophet were his descendants are in the chain then inthe Musnad of Imam Ahmad alone Ali Ibn Abi Talib narrated more narrations than Abu Bakr+Omar+Othman put together In the Sahihayn (the two Sahih's) Ali narrated more narrations than Abu Bakr+Othman. There are more narrations narrated through Al-Baqir than ABU BAKR AL-SIDDIQ in the six books of Hadith? In the nine books of Hadith Al-Sadiq narrated more than 2000 Hadith about Aqeedah AND Fiqh and not just in refutation of the Rafidha as you claim!

One of the healthiest (strongest) chain according to Sunnis is: Ja’far (Al-Sadiq) from, Muhammad (Al-Baqir), from Ali (Zayn Al-Abidin), from Al-Hussein, from ALI IBN ABI TALIB. THIS IS THE GOLDEN CHAIN. Source [ “Al Baith Alhathith Gair Ma’moor” (الباعث الحثيث غير مأمور)]

For further information read: Narrations from Ahl-AlBayt present in the main books of Ahlesunnah, originally compiled by myself (Ebn Hussein):
الإمام الشافعي رحمه الله
لم أر أحداً من أهل الأهواء أشهد بالزور من الرافضة! - الخطيب في الكفاية والسوطي.

Imam Al-Shafi3i - may Allah have mercy upon him - said: "I have not seen among the heretics a people more famous for falsehood than the Rafidah." [narrated by Al-Khatib Al-Baghdadi/Al-Kifayah]


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