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The Pillar of Confusion: Shia Imamah
« on: November 24, 2019, 11:24:03 PM »
Powerful video!



در خلافت میل نیست ای بی‌خبر
میل کی آید ز بوبکر و عمر
میل اگر بودی در آن دو مقتدا
هر دو کردندی پسر را پیشوا

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iceman

Re: The Pillar of Confusion: Shia Imamah
« Reply #1 on: November 25, 2019, 01:17:05 AM »
Shia Muslims believe that just as a prophet is appointed by God alone, only God has the prerogative to appoint the successor to his prophet. They believe God chose Ali to be Muhammad's successor, infallible, the first caliph (khalifah, head of state) of Islam.

Truly, God chose Adam, Noah, the family of Abraham and the family of ‘Imran above all the worlds, as offspring one after the other. (Qur’an 3:33-34)

Just as the above we believe that the family of Muhammad s.a.w was chosen and groomed to govern the Muslim Ummah after him s.a.w.

“God only wishes to remove from you all impurities,O Ahl al-Baytand purify you with a complete purification” (Qur’an 33:33).

This wasn't a coincidence. There was a reason for God to choose this family. And Qur'an 33:33 has a purpose. Who better to govern than them.
« Last Edit: November 25, 2019, 01:26:50 AM by iceman »

iceman

Re: The Pillar of Confusion: Shia Imamah
« Reply #2 on: December 04, 2019, 11:20:11 AM »
There is no pillar of confusion. The matter is clear. We believe in divine guidance for mankind before mankind even started. Allah clearly says; "Inni jailun fil arze calipha" that I want to create a Caliph on earth. Before mankind was even created and developed Allah created means of divine guidance and put it in place first. How on earth would Allah leave mankind without a divine guide after Muhammad s.a.w.
« Last Edit: December 04, 2019, 11:28:39 AM by iceman »

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Re: The Pillar of Confusion: Shia Imamah
« Reply #3 on: December 05, 2019, 12:30:29 AM »
Historical evidences show otherwise. See the video again.
در خلافت میل نیست ای بی‌خبر
میل کی آید ز بوبکر و عمر
میل اگر بودی در آن دو مقتدا
هر دو کردندی پسر را پیشوا

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Abu Muhammad

Re: The Pillar of Confusion: Shia Imamah
« Reply #4 on: December 05, 2019, 03:22:08 PM »
How on earth would Allah leave mankind without a divine guide after Muhammad s.a.w.

It has been proven for the past 11 centuries...

iceman

Re: The Pillar of Confusion: Shia Imamah
« Reply #5 on: December 05, 2019, 04:49:55 PM »
It has been proven for the past 11 centuries...

Proven? Oh absolutely. Mankind along with Muhammad's saw Ummah is in an absolute mess. That's what happens when people have total disregard for Allah and his Messenger s.a.w and then skip off to Saqifa to take matters into their own hands.

Abu Muhammad

Re: The Pillar of Confusion: Shia Imamah
« Reply #6 on: December 05, 2019, 05:15:20 PM »
How on earth would Allah leave mankind without a divine guide after Muhammad s.a.w.

It has been proven for the past 11 centuries...

Proven? Oh absolutely. Mankind along with Muhammad's saw Ummah is in an absolute mess. That's what happens when people have total disregard for Allah and his Messenger s.a.w and then skip off to Saqifa to take matters into their own hands.

It is not due to Saqifa why Allah stops sending divine guides. According to Twelvers, Allah still sent divine guides even after 300+ years post Saqifa. But all of sudden, it's all become okay in the eye of Allah (and hence, proven) for human to live without divine guides for the next 11 centuries.
« Last Edit: December 05, 2019, 05:24:15 PM by Abu Muhammad »

iceman

Re: The Pillar of Confusion: Shia Imamah
« Reply #7 on: December 12, 2019, 04:56:50 AM »
It is not due to Saqifa why Allah stops sending divine guides. According to Twelvers, Allah still sent divine guides even after 300+ years post Saqifa. But all of sudden, it's all become okay in the eye of Allah (and hence, proven) for human to live without divine guides for the next 11 centuries.

"But all of sudden, it's all become okay in the eye of Allah (and hence, proven) for human to live without divine guides for the next 11 centuries"

Has it. 😊

Abu Muhammad

Re: The Pillar of Confusion: Shia Imamah
« Reply #8 on: December 12, 2019, 05:29:33 PM »
"But all of sudden, it's all become okay in the eye of Allah (and hence, proven) for human to live without divine guides for the next 11 centuries"

Has it. 😊


Before mankind was even created and developed Allah created means of divine guidance and put it in place first. How on earth would Allah leave mankind without a divine guide after Muhammad s.a.w.
« Last Edit: December 12, 2019, 05:38:33 PM by Abu Muhammad »

iceman


Abu Muhammad

Re: The Pillar of Confusion: Shia Imamah
« Reply #10 on: December 13, 2019, 11:09:19 PM »
AND?

👇

Iceman said:
"Before mankind was even created and developed, Allah created means of divine guidance and put it in place first. How on earth would Allah leave mankind without a divine guide after Muhammad s.a.w."

But yet in REALITY, there is NO DIVINE GUIDE for the past 11 centuries.

IT'S A PILLAR OF CONFUSION...

Soccer

Re: The Pillar of Confusion: Shia Imamah
« Reply #11 on: March 12, 2020, 11:07:34 PM »
👇

Iceman said:
"Before mankind was even created and developed, Allah created means of divine guidance and put it in place first. How on earth would Allah leave mankind without a divine guide after Muhammad s.a.w."

But yet in REALITY, there is NO DIVINE GUIDE for the past 11 centuries.

IT'S A PILLAR OF CONFUSION...

There hasn't been one in the open for quite sometime. What is the state of humans now as a result? More confusion or more clarity.

We need a Messenger again, we need our guide to come out in the open.


Soccer

Re: The Pillar of Confusion: Shia Imamah
« Reply #12 on: March 12, 2020, 11:47:57 PM »
By the way God favors humanity with guidance through those who his favor is regarding to (1:7). If people hate those who his favor is with regards to so much they deny God's guidance and favor through them, it's not the fault of God and it's the people's fault instead and as Moses' says if all humans choose to be ungrateful to God, then God doesn't need them and the Surah contextualizes that he will eventually destroy them if they continue their oppressive ways.

The way Mahdi is in the Quran is neither just as good news nor just a warning, but many possible prophecies, and which one will take place is to be determined in real time, and we hope he will be a mercy for the whole world but I won't hold my breathe for them to be all believers. Our track record is ugly and we never as a whole generation of humans changed our ways with God's favor and his rope and his Messengers. This is the sad reality of history.

The Messengers were suppose to be accepted. Mohammad (s) was meant to come to a world accepting him. Bani-Israel Prophets were trying to prepare the world for him.

But Keep fighting God's light and say you don't need his chosen ones, see where it will lead you, and for those who pray for God's guidance, there is always a guide and miracles are still available.

Those who hate his guidance so much they deny the designated family of the reminder despite the clarifications of the signs after the dark sorcery trying to extinguish that light, their hearts are hard, and that's the nature of the cursed tree who's branches are as if heads of devils and which fights the tree that has been declared pure by God and only God attributes purity to who he wants, no permission is allowed for the people to do so.
« Last Edit: March 12, 2020, 11:49:37 PM by Soccer »

 

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