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Al-Qadi Sa`id al-Qummi and his belief of Tahreef Quran
« on: April 07, 2016, 04:13:37 PM »

Al-Qadi Sa`id al-Qummi and Tahreef

The belief in Tahreef of Quran is something the Shia scholars inherit. The same way Jaza’iri inherited it from Majlisi, or Kulayni inherited it from `Ali bin Ibrahim, today we will see how al-Qadi Sa`id al-Qummi inherited it from his teacher al-Fayd al-Kashani.

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Re: Al-Qadi Sa`id al-Qummi and his belief of Tahreef Quran
« Reply #1 on: April 07, 2016, 09:19:23 PM »
Jazakallah khair, this is what's in the link in case the website gets shut down:

The belief in Tahreef is something the Shia scholars inherit. The same way Jaza’iri inherited it from Majlisi, or Kulayni inherited it from `Ali bin Ibrahim, today we will see how al-Qadi Sa`id al-Qummi inherited it from his teacher al-Fayd al-Kashani.

Al-Qadi  Sa`id Muhammad bin Muhammad Mufid al-Qummi (d.1107 AH) was favored by the Safavid kings of Persia especially Shah `Abbas and he wrote many books one of which is “Al-Arba`iniyat li Kashf Anwar-ul-Qudsiyat” and it is the book we will be quoting from today.
On pages 65-66 of this book, the author writes about why all Qur’anic recitations are binding but decides to boast about `Ali’s personal recitation and the superior Qur’an possessed by their 12 Imams as opposed to ours and here is the calamity.

كما أن القرآن الذي عند أئمتنا عليهم السلام هو بعينه المسموع من النبي صلى الله عليه واله بسماع علي بن أبي طالب عليه السلام حين سماع غير علي عليه السلام هذا القرآن. وأين سماع مولانا -مولى الأنام- من سماع الرعايا !! مثلا : حين ما سمع ابن مسعود او غيره من النبي هذه الآية (إِنَّمَا أَنْتَ مُنْذِرٌ وَلِكُلِّ قَوْمٍ هَادٍ). وسمع علي (عليه السلام) هكذا: (إِنَما أنت منذر لعباد وعلي لكل قوم هاد). فـــــي الحالة التي سمع القوم بدون لفظة: ((علي)) وذلك للاتساع الالهي والوحدة الجامعة للكلم الرباني وهكذا الحكم في اختلاف القراءات السبع حيث يسمع كل قوم من النبي او الوصي مايوافق لغتهم ومحاورتهم في سماع واحد ومكان واحد. فأحتفظ بذلك التحقيق فإنه من مشرب الرحيق والحمد لله على فضله

[Just like the Qur’an stored with our Imams (as) is the same one heard from the Prophet (saw) but through the hearing of `Ali ibn abi Talib (as) not the hearing of others. And how can one compare the hearing of our master -meaning `Ali- (as) to that of the other subjects!? For example: When Ibn Mas`oud or others heard this verse from the Prophet (saw): {You are only a warner, and for every people is a guide.} [13:7] `Ali (as) heard it like this: “You are only a warner to servants and `Ali to all people is a guide.” So the folks heard it without the word “`Ali”. That is because of the godly vastness and the unity binding the Lord’s speech, such is the ruling concerning the differences between the seven recitations as each person hears from the Prophet (saw) or his legatee (Wasi) what suites their languages and dialects in the exact same hearing and place.]

According to this genius, the Prophet (saw) taught `Ali one Qur’an and taught the rest of us another. Maybe that’s the author’s solution to all the narrations claiming corruption of the Qur’an in Shia books, he thinks that `Ali being the great man that he is magically hears the same verse in a different way, a more superior way as the author is clearly hinting, thus the hidden Qur’an that the 12th man is hiding is much better than ours.
Because that hidden man’s book contains this verse:

“You are only a warner to servants and `Ali to all people is a guide.”

Instead of this verse found in our Qur’an today:

{You are only a warner, and for every people is a guide.} [13:7]
May Allah guide the Shi'a to the truth. Ameen.

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Re: Al-Qadi Sa`id al-Qummi and his belief of Tahreef Quran
« Reply #2 on: February 28, 2017, 01:25:48 AM »
Assalamu Aleykum,

I wanted to translate this article in french and i wanted to add some praise in him from shia scholars like Khomeini or Abbas Al Qommi here : http://arabic.al-shia.org/%D8%A7%D9%84%D8%B4%D9%8A%D8%AE-%D9%85%D8%AD%D9%85%D8%AF-%D8%B3%D8%B9%D9%8A%D8%AF-%D8%A7%D9%84%D9%82%D9%85%D9%8A-%D8%A7%D9%84%D9%85%D8%B9%D8%B1%D9%88%D9%81-%D8%A8%D8%A7%D9%84%D9%82%D8%A7%D8%B6%D9%8A/

ـ قال الإمام الخميني(قدس سره) في بداية التعليقة على شرح حديث رأس الجالوت: «وبعد فإنّ ممّا وفّقني التأييدات الربوبية، وأيّدني التوفيقات القدسية الأُلوهية، هو الاستسعاد بزيارة هذا الحديث القديس، النازل عن سماء الوحي والتقديس، وشرحه الذي أفاده شيخ العرفاء الكاملين، قدوة أصحاب القلوب والسالكين، كاشف إشارات الأخبار ورموزها، مخرج لباب الآثار وكنوزها، فخر الطائفة وعينها، وذخر أهل المعرفة وزينها، المؤيّد بتأييدات الربّ المجيد، القاضي الشريف السعيد، أفاض الله عليه من أنوار رحمته الواسعة، وتجلّى عليه بالأنوار الباهرة».

2ـ قال الشيخ عباس القمّي(قدس سره) في الكنى والألقاب: «العالم الفاضل الحكيم المتشرّع العارف الربّاني والمحقّق الصمداني، من أعاظم علماء الحكمة والأدب والحديث».

Is anyone can translate these quotes please ? Jazakum Llahu kheiran

al-kulayni

Re: Al-Qadi Sa`id al-Qummi and his belief of Tahreef Quran
« Reply #3 on: March 02, 2017, 01:13:52 AM »
Bump for arabic bothers !

al-kulayni

Re: Al-Qadi Sa`id al-Qummi and his belief of Tahreef Quran
« Reply #4 on: March 03, 2017, 03:49:29 PM »
Bump

Hani

Re: Al-Qadi Sa`id al-Qummi and his belief of Tahreef Quran
« Reply #5 on: March 04, 2017, 08:23:33 AM »
Pretty annoying quotes there mate, if I had time I would have given it a shot. in brief u can say Khomayni said he was the "Pride of the Shia sect" While Qummi said: "From the greatest of wise scholars".
عَلامَةُ أَهْلِ الْبِدَعِ الْوَقِيعَةُ فِي أَهْلِ الأَثَرِ. وَعَلامَةُ الْجَهْمِيَّةِ أَنْ يُسَمُّوا أَهْلَ السُّنَّةِ مُشَبِّهَةً. وَعَلامَةُ الْقَدَرِيَّةِ أَنْ يُسَمُّوا أَهْلَ السُّنَّةِ مُجَبِّرَةً. وَعَلامَةُ الزَّنَادِقَةِ أَنْ يُسَمُّوا أَهْلَ الأَثَرِ حَشْوِيَّةً

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MuslimAnswers

Re: Al-Qadi Sa`id al-Qummi and his belief of Tahreef Quran
« Reply #6 on: March 06, 2017, 08:03:30 PM »
^

It is a lot of profuse glorification from Khumayni, and I guess it would be sufficient to say that many words of praise were employed and give the appropriate link for readers to check the original.

With regards to the original article there is the big issue that fine, if we accept the theory that 'Ali (RAA) heard something in the recitation of the Quran no one else could hear, that is interesting, but how does that affect the rest of the Ummah?

That is, if after hearing this supposed "Enhanced Qur'an" what 'Ali's (RAA) students in Qira'at [whether of his "Shia" or otherwise] could understand/handle was the "Normal Qur'an", then it seems to have no lasting consequence, since the whole issue of transmission of the Quran is what is agreed upon in recitation from teacher to student, not what the teacher may know miraculously but the student may not be able to handle due to the latter being a normal person.
« Last Edit: March 06, 2017, 08:05:49 PM by MuslimAnswers »

 

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