TwelverShia.net Forum

Recent Posts

Pages: [1] 2 3 ... 10
1
Salam Alaykum,

Interesting article about the reconstruction or lack thereof in Mosul:

http://www.niqash.org/+m4rc4
2
General Sunni-Shia / Re: Is Mutah Really Halal For Shia?
« Last post by MuslimAnswers on Today at 03:16:08 PM »
Quote
This is what I'm trying to get at; maybe I'm wrong and its not a recommended act in the Ja'fari madhhab.  Yet, I have never come across a Ja'fari scholar who discourages Mut'ah, or says that it is anything less than mustahabb.  Perhaps you will show me a scholar who does, or you can show Rationalist a hadeeth that say Mut'ah is only in certain circumstances.

The issue is of course, that 12er Shias do practice Mut'ah on quite a normal scale, and Shia men and women discuss it and joke about it often, so the stonewalling in front of us Sunnis is quite strange.

There are other analogous situations: Like for Muslims in general when we talk among ourselves most of us do protrude a hatred of Israel. Now, if we get very defensive and act as if it almost does not happen in our circles [when confronted by outside critics], this is the height of silliness since the proof of our attitudes is vast. Thus, we either we change course or defend the general Israel-hatred. There are no two ways about it.
3
General Sunni-Shia / Re: Is Mutah Really Halal For Shia?
« Last post by muslim720 on Today at 07:25:36 AM »
This is exactly what I'm talking about, exceptional circumstances. This is exactly what Mutah is for. It's not a common thing or ordinary practice within Shia. You've answered it yourself. Why use something, manipulate it then blow it out of proportion and try to paint a bad picture about the Shia.

Brother, I do not wish to burden you with all these hadiths - in other words, you are not required to answer for them - but please do not tell me that mutah is something of an "exceptional" nature and that we use it to "paint a bad picture about the Shia".

The Prophet said, “The man who contracts Mutah once will be saved from the Hellfire. One who contracts it twice will be in the company of virtuous men [in Paradise]. And the one who contracts it three times will be my companion in the highest level of Paradise.” (Al-Kafi)

The Prophet said, “The men and women who die without performing Mutah even once in their lives will appear on the Day of Judgment with their ears and nose cut and [their faces] deformed.” (Al-Kafi)

Imam Jafar as-Sadiq narrated from the Prophet that “one third of the body is saved from the Hellfire if one contracts mutah once. Two thirds of the body is saved if one contracts Mutah twice, and the whole body is saved from Hell if one contracts Mutah three times.” (Al-Kafi)

It is narrated that once the Prophet was sitting among his companions and the discussion came to the topic of mutah. The Prophet said, “Do you know what is the reward of mutah?” The companions answered, “No,” The Prophet then said, “Jibraeel just came to me and said, ‘0 Muhammad, Allah sends His blessings to you and commands you to instruct your Ummah to engage in the practice of Mutah since this is the practice of [Allah’s] virtuous servants.” (Al-Kafi)

“One who engages in Mutah once attains the status of Imam al-Hussain. One who engages in it twice becomes equal in status to Imam al-Hasan. The one who performs it three times reaches the position of Imam Ali. And he who practices it four times acquires the level and position [equal to that] of the Prophet.” (Al-Kafi)
4
General Sunni-Shia / Re: Is Mutah Really Halal For Shia?
« Last post by Khaled on Today at 03:14:13 AM »
السلام عليكم ورحمة الله وبركاته
First of all do the vast amount (majority) of Shia scholars say that this is a virtuous act? I'm not interested in one or two Shia Scholars or books because Scholars vary in opinion and sometimes to great length.

This is what I'm trying to get at; maybe I'm wrong and its not a recommended act in the Ja'fari madhhab.  Yet, I have never come across a Ja'fari scholar who discourages Mut'ah, or says that it is anything less than mustahabb.  Perhaps you will show me a scholar who does, or you can show Rationalist a hadeeth that say Mut'ah is only in certain circumstances.

Quote
For example, this is off topic/subject but just to prove a point,

*sigh*

Quote
there is a joint statement from Ayatollah Khaminei and Sistani that Shias should refrain from such actions and acts based on custom/tradition which give Shias a bad name or where Shias are looked at strangely. Some where along those lines. For example, to commemorate Imam Hussain's martyrdom in a particular fashion where you batter and bloody yourself.

On the other hand you have Ayatollah Khorasani and Shirazi who allow such Azadari and deem it permissible or even necessary and part of the Shia faith and belief. This is how much scholars can differ in fatwa, statement and opinion.

There is also another example, Ali yun Waliyullah, scholars even greatly differ on this too. Some say it is part of the Azaan and Iqamat and others say it is not.

I don't know where to begin.  First of all, you are right, this is off topic.  Second of all, I'm amazed at this level of contradiction considering a) you follow infallible Imams, b) you are so critical of the Sunni madhhabs; but that's not our topic.  Thirdly, if you wanted to prove your point, you could've shown a statement by an Ayatollah saying "you shouldn't do Mut'ah in certain situations because..." as that is our discussion at hand.

Quote
Back to the topic. One needs to understand fully and completely about Any Fatwa or statement given by a scholar. For example, 'Mutah is a virtuous act' What does this mean? Virtuous act like Nimaz eTahajut, Nimaz r Shab? No, absolutely not. Where everyone and anyone should be free to do and engage.

Virtuous as in it is mustahabb, as in one is rewarded for doing it.  As far is it being better than Tahajjud (is that what you are saying?) and the other prayer (again, I apologize, I can't tell what you are saying); my understanding is that it is WAY better than those things.  My understanding is that doing it four times well get you into heaven on the same leve as the Messenger صلى الله عليه وسلم.  Can you possibly say that about the prayers you mentioned (or anything else really)?

Quote
Mutah is a virtuous act but for who? And why? Those with exceptional circumstances depending on their situation and condition where one fears or eventually and secretly indulges in Haram/sinful acts it is highly recommended and a virtuous act with rewards from refraining from Haram and sinful acts and deeds.

Finally, a response that actually addresses the topic.  Problem is, this seems to be your personal explanation.  Is there any reference that one has to be in exceptional circumstances for it be a virtuous act?  One hadeeth, statement of an Imam, fatwa of a Marji'... anything...

Quote
If Mutah was a virtuous and rewarding act in the Ja'fari Madhhab like saum and salah for instance then people would engage in it openly and commonly. It would be a regular act and practice, which it is not.

Once again Mutah is there for those who feel the urge and need. Those with extreme circumstances and in difficult conditions. Those who most definitely know that they will end up doing something sinful/Haram.

Those who don't have the knowledge and understanding is one thing but to deliberately try to point score and make the other sect look bad based on sectarian hatred is another.

I don't hate Shi'as, and I think you can see with how I've responded with Hadrami and Opitmus Prime, I am VERY fair in Ja'fari/Mainstream Muslim discussions.

Problem is the rampant contradictions between what you are saying, and what we read Shi'a scholars say, and what the ahadeeth and statements of the Imams claim.  The fact that it is not practiced in a widespread way like fasting and salah is exactly the point of this thread; if it is in fact something which can lead me to heaven, which is it treated like such a taboo subject.  The answer I got from you is it is a circumstantial thing.  I am willing to accept that; now, can you provide any evidence that this is the case in the Ja'fari Madhhab?

بارك الله فيك وأحسن الله إليك
5
General Sunni-Shia / Re: Is Mutah Really Halal For Shia?
« Last post by Khaled on Today at 02:56:22 AM »
I believe my posts are self explanatory. If you believe otherwise, we'll just leave it at that.

I haven't seen a single explanation of how Mut'ah=prostitution.  I have seen a lot of deflecting without bringing any evidence; reminds me of when asking a Ja'fari to prove Imamah...

Quote
I didn't mention any names because I refuse to spoon feed you brother. Keep persevering, and you'll stumble upon something of significance sooner rather later.

So when someone asks you for a reference, you refuse because you consider that "spoonfeeding?"  I didn't ask you for an ayah or a hadeeth any one can look up; I asked you for a Muslim scholar who considered Mut'ah to be the same or similar to prostitution.

Quote
Raising the consensus of a few scholars who permitted such an act to establish mahram relation between two people does not deter from the very reality, that the practice of Mu'tah between two people is hardly different than a random couple having a one night stand, and/or becoming sex buddies for as long as they desire.

Or any different than marrying with the intent to divorce...

Quote
I've nothing more to contribute to this thread.

With all due respect, you didn't contribute anything
6
Quran-Tafseer / Re: Al-Quran English Tafseer
« Last post by ManofIlsam on Today at 01:21:00 AM »
Wa alaikumsalam wr wb.

Brother you may even try this tafseer from Mufti Shafi uthmani:

http://www.maarifulquran.net/index.php/maarifulquran/maarifulquran-english-pdf

Noor-us-Sunnah: Jazaka Allah khair, Dear Sister!
7
General Sunni-Shia / Re: Possible for Allah to be a physical thing?
« Last post by muslim720 on Today at 01:14:34 AM »
Do you mean the vast majority of scholars of the Ahlus-Sunnah i.e the Ashariyya and Maturidiyya? The ones who have by far the most number of islamic schools and followers in India, in Pakistan , in Egypt (al-Azhar), in Morocco, in most of north Africa, as well as a fair presence in the far east as well as a fair presence even in the Salafi-Athari dominated Saudi Arabia?

Why are you so quick to lie on a vast number of Muslims?  I have had the blessing to sit in the gatherings of various schools of Islam - Sunnis, Sufis (though, to me, they're within Ahlus Sunnah), Shia - and even the Sufi shaykh, Hisham Kabbani (who lives in Michigan) of the Naqshbandi order, considers Salafis to misrepresent Ibn Taymiyyah (rah) either by mistake or design.

My post was aimed at Shia scholars because not a single Shia gathering I have sat in has concluded without at least one mention of, or reference to, Sahih Bukhari, Sahih Muslim, Ahlus Sunnah, Ibn Taymiyyah (rah), Muhammad ibn Wahab, etc.  Sometimes I feel like you make tasbeeh of those names more than you remember Allah (swt).
8
General Sunni-Shia / Re: Is Mutah Really Halal For Shia?
« Last post by iceman on Today at 12:15:53 AM »
Brother Khaled this is what you said;

"Unfortunately brother, I think you may have missed the intention of the post.  The OP, Rationalist and myself have all repeatedly stated that we aren't here to discuss whether it is mubah or not, we have are here to discuss why the Ja'fari madhhab finds it to be such a virtuous act while it is considered simultaneously taboo to even discuss, let alone engage in.

Note this bit,

"why the Ja'fari madhhab finds it to be such a virtuous act while it is considered simultaneously taboo to even discuss, let alone engage in"

First of all do the vast amount (majority) of Shia scholars say that this is a virtuous act? I'm not interested in one or two Shia Scholars or books because Scholars vary in opinion and sometimes to great length.

For example, this is off topic/subject but just to prove a point,

there is a joint statement from Ayatollah Khaminei and Sistani that Shias should refrain from such actions and acts based on custom/tradition which give Shias a bad name or where Shias are looked at strangely. Some where along those lines. For example, to commemorate Imam Hussain's martyrdom in a particular fashion where you batter and bloody yourself.

On the other hand you have Ayatollah Khorasani and Shirazi who allow such Azadari and deem it permissible or even necessary and part of the Shia faith and belief. This is how much scholars can differ in fatwa, statement and opinion.

There is also another example, Ali yun Waliyullah, scholars even greatly differ on this too. Some say it is part of the Azaan and Iqamat and others say it is not.

Back to the topic. One needs to understand fully and completely about Any Fatwa or statement given by a scholar. For example, 'Mutah is a virtuous act' What does this mean? Virtuous act like Nimaz eTahajut, Nimaz r Shab? No, absolutely not. Where everyone and anyone should be free to do and engage.

Mutah is a virtuous act but for who? And why? Those with exceptional circumstances depending on their situation and condition where one fears or eventually and secretly indulges in Haram/sinful acts it is highly recommended and a virtuous act with rewards from refraining from Haram and sinful acts and deeds.

There is always a reason and purpose to something. Don't take things at face value or look at just the bold and large print. There is the small print as well. Things are advertised to get and gain attention but then you have,

'terms and conditions apply bla bla bla and etc etc etc.'

If Mutah was a virtuous and rewarding act in the Ja'fari Madhhab like saum and salah for instance then people would engage in it openly and commonly. It would be a regular act and practice, which it is not.

Once again Mutah is there for those who feel the urge and need. Those with extreme circumstances and in difficult conditions. Those who most definitely know that they will end up doing something sinful/Haram.

Those who don't have the knowledge and understanding is one thing but to deliberately try to point score and make the other sect look bad based on sectarian hatred is another.
9
General Sunni-Shia / Re: Is Mutah Really Halal For Shia?
« Last post by Optimus Prime on Yesterday at 11:42:01 PM »
I can't find any threads, just a blog post which shows a fatwaa where a Shi'i scholar says it is permissible to do Mut'ah with a whore.

So you didn't answer if "whoaretheshia" posted a suckling adults post if you would be convinced that "Sunnism" allows this.  You didn't answer the scholars who stated Mut'ah was akin to prostitution.  Nor did you show me how Mut'ah is akin to prostitution.

I believe my posts are self explanatory. If you believe otherwise, we'll just leave it at that.

I didn't mention any names because I refuse to spoon feed you brother. Keep persevering, and you'll stumble upon something of significance sooner rather later.

Raising the consensus of a few scholars who permitted such an act to establish mahram relation between two people does not deter from the very reality, that the practice of Mu'tah between two people is hardly different than a random couple having a one night stand, and/or becoming sex buddies for as long as they desire.

The very complexion of such a comparison is retarded at best.

I've nothing more to contribute to this thread.
10
General Sunni-Shia / Re: Is Mutah Really Halal For Shia?
« Last post by Khaled on Yesterday at 11:23:31 PM »
Brother Khaled, if you review the entire thread, do some simple research, and apply your mind, Insh'Allah you'll understand the alikeness between the two. If not, then there is nothing more to discuss. It's a futile discussion to have at best.

Alhamdulillah, neither of us engage in Mu'tah, and believe in its the prophetic prohibition. That's the main thing.

I can't find any threads, just a blog post which shows a fatwaa where a Shi'i scholar says it is permissible to do Mut'ah with a whore.

So you didn't answer if "whoaretheshia" posted a suckling adults post if you would be convinced that "Sunnism" allows this.  You didn't answer the scholars who stated Mut'ah was akin to prostitution.  Nor did you show me how Mut'ah is akin to prostitution.
Pages: [1] 2 3 ... 10