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General Sunni-Shia / Re: 15000 Sunni Masaajids in Iran and 9 in Tehran alone?
« Last post by iceman on April 13, 2020, 01:19:07 PM »
If authentic reports are rejected then why proceed?
You have no moral compass of judgement you will stick by your assumptions and theories.

Dimwit.

Authentic reports by whom? By you or a handful of Shias based on unity amongst Muslims? 😊 What's the matter, you don't want to talk about and discuss facts 😊 Just rely on reports with your eyes closed because it suits your ideology 😊 Discuss if you have it. I don't think you have it 😆
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General Sunni-Shia / Re: Once again I require your help
« Last post by Mythbuster1 on April 13, 2020, 01:15:03 PM »
LOL! Where is your evidence against Malik that he became an apostate? You haven't put anything forward till yet. Just an accusation without any sort of evidence what so ever. Never mind about clear evidence that one can't argue with 😊

And if you ever do bring forward clear and cut evidence of Malik becoming an apostate, which you never ever will be able to, then that would be absolutely clear that after all companions can go astray. 😊

You lose either way. 😊 I will expose your hypocritical stance and double standards 😆

So why are YOU using Malik being an apostate to counter someone else’s argument?

If you don’t believe it’s true then why use the argument?

That’s just hypocrisy.

I stand by what I saidhe was an apostate and NEVER budged I gave you evidence for it........only in shiism that equals to hypocrisy.
😂😂

Dimwit!
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General Sunni-Shia / Re: Once again I require your help
« Last post by iceman on April 13, 2020, 01:04:16 PM »
What a hypocrite!!!

You wanted evidence from me on Nuwera following sajja but here you are using it as your argument against someone else??

HYPOCRITE!

LOL! Where is your evidence against Malik that he became an apostate? You haven't put anything forward till yet. Just an accusation without any sort of evidence what so ever. Never mind about clear evidence that one can't argue with 😊

And if you ever do bring forward clear and cut evidence of Malik becoming an apostate, which you never ever will be able to, then that would be absolutely clear that after all companions can go astray. 😊

You lose either way. 😊 I will expose your hypocritical stance and double standards 😆
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General Sunni-Shia / Re: Myself against a bunch of shias .
« Last post by iceman on April 13, 2020, 12:43:18 PM »
You are a hypocrite we know that for sure and we also know you hate and lie upon a special certain companion who is in your brain torturing you day and night that you have to mention Him whenever you get cornered on something.😁

Syed ustaad can’t spell..........it’s becoz Hazarat Umar ra saying Quran is sufficient.

😂

This is shiism 👍

"You are a hypocrite we know that for sure"

You're a hypocrite along with elements of your belief. You justify the murder of Companions of the Prophet s.a.w and you accuse them of apostasy and slander them. But you have no clear evidence on that what so ever. On the other hand you jump up and down about Takfeer on sahaba verbally but practically you send takfeer on sahaba. So there's a clear difference between what you say and do. And that is absolute hypocrisy. 😊
 
"and we also know you hate and lie upon a special certain companion who is in your brain torturing you day and night that you have to mention"

Yes you actually do that and then you accuse me of it. This is double hypocrisy on your behalf. 😊

"whenever you get cornered on something"

☺😊😀😁😃😅😂 You can't even corner a fly. 😆

"Syed ustaad can’t spell..........it’s becoz Hazarat Umar ra saying Quran is sufficient"

You know what he did. You are aware of his actions. You also know his intentions behind it. You know what he was up to. 😊
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General Sunni-Shia / Re: Myself against a bunch of shias .
« Last post by Mythbuster1 on April 12, 2020, 10:55:32 PM »
"Spelling mistake or typing error you did SPELL or TYPE it WRONG!!"

Absolutely. 😊 I'm not arrogant, ignorant or  stubborn like a mule as you. 😊

Be it an error or mistake or a sin or crime or what ever, Umar did wrong during the pen and paper incident. 😊 But you're just too stubborn to admit it. 😊

"Speaks volumes about your education syed ustaad dimwit"

It also speaks volumes about his companionship 😆

You are a hypocrite we know that for sure and we also know you hate and lie upon a special certain companion who is in your brain torturing you day and night that you have to mention Him whenever you get cornered on something.😁

Syed ustaad can’t spell..........it’s becoz Hazarat Umar ra saying Quran is sufficient.

😂

This is shiism 👍


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General Sunni-Shia / Re: Once again I require your help
« Last post by Mythbuster1 on April 12, 2020, 10:28:19 PM »

Malik bin Nuwayrah was a companion of the Prophet s.a.w, was he not. He believed in Muhammad s.a.w being the last and final Prophet. Then Malik goes astray in believing in sajjah as a Prophet and following her. Malik being a companion could go astray and did according to you.


What a hypocrite!!!

You wanted evidence from me on Nuwera following sajja but here you are using it as your argument against someone else??

HYPOCRITE!

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General Sunni-Shia / Re: 15000 Sunni Masaajids in Iran and 9 in Tehran alone?
« Last post by Mythbuster1 on April 12, 2020, 06:17:06 PM »
Lets go by your story which is rejected by Shias to begin with. Ali gave allegiance after 6 months, why not before this. What was the problem. And giving allegiance months later means accepting what happened in Saqifa. Then why not give allegiance months earlier. What kept him lets hear it. 😊

If authentic reports are rejected then why proceed?
You have no moral compass of judgement you will stick by your assumptions and theories.

Dimwit.
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General Sunni-Shia / Re: 15000 Sunni Masaajids in Iran and 9 in Tehran alone?
« Last post by Mythbuster1 on April 12, 2020, 06:03:36 PM »
He Umar ra achieved more than ANY divine imam ever did"

Prove it. No reference no nothing from you. Just empty words. Start bringing in references. Then we'll discuss it. Nothing can be discussed on just words from you. 😊

"No divine imam EVER existed even to this day and you have no proof of it"

Proved from the Qur'an time and time again. 😊

"Again your hatred is never ending especially on Umar ra, history has been written about Umar ra and His achievements, you just don’t want to know and keep your hatred up just keep shaytaan happy, you know the one who walks on the other side when he used to see Umar ra coming"

I don't hate anyone, never mind about Umar. 😊 Umar's character, performance and achievement, his merits and sacrifices after becoming a Muslim, where have I denied that. 😊 Where have I said that the man has or had no honour or respect. 😊 But despite all that he was a human and capable to make errors and mistakes,

capable to sin or commit a crime, capable of getting it wrong just like any other sahabi. 😊 Sahaba can go astray after the demise of the Prophet s.a.w, can't they? You've just accepted and proven that in the case of Malik.

"you know the one who walks on the other side when he used to see Umar ra coming"

And why is that? 😊 And you believe it just because it's written? 😊 Correct me if I'm wrong, why didn't the devil walk in the opposite direction or on the other side when he saw the Prophet s.a.w? The Prophet s.a.w was praying and in tashud, the devil asked him how many Gods are there? And the Prophet s.a.w got distracted from his prayers and responded by lifting his finger pointing out that it is one. Don't you believe in this. 😊

"Quran is sufficient is not a crime in Islam where as not paying zakah and following a false prophet"

Objecting to what the Prophet s.a.w has to offer, not willing to take what he is giving is a direct violation of the Qur'an as well as  an insult to the Prophet s.a.w. It is a crime according to Allah and the Qur'an. "What the Prophet s.a.w offers you take it, what he forbids refrain from it". An absolute and clear violation.

"I have put a constructive argument forward......sajjah"

Just words. Nothing more. Bring the evidence forward. The reports are mixed. Nothing concrete and solid.


Come on syed ustaad dimwit Umar ra ruled 10 years am sure you know this but if neede proof will be provided inshallah not a problem. Likewise could you give us AUTHENTIC proof of a divine imam ruling?? (Not ambiguous verses and hadiths that are misinterpreted) something anything of authenticity.

Yes but did any sahaba follow a fake prophet?? There lies your answer but you will intentionally close your eyes and go to sleep.😁

I believe our Nabi Muhammed pbuh told us the merits of Umar ra including shaytaan walking in the other side that does in no way say anything negative about our prophet pbuh, His station is prophethood.
Your hate based on assumptions makes you think otherwise.

Yea Nuwera stopped zakah fundamental faith of Islam one of the 5 pillars you DIMWIT!! The verse you posted fits in well with above.
What was more important that Umar ra said Quran is enough?
So Umar ra stopped something that was equal to zakah.

Bring your proof now dimwit, what was as equally as important as zakah that Umar ra stopped?

As for the mixed reports show is the reports hypocrite I showed you mine, or is it that your minds mixed and the truth really hurts.😂
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General Sunni-Shia / Re: 15000 Sunni Masaajids in Iran and 9 in Tehran alone?
« Last post by Mythbuster1 on April 12, 2020, 05:22:41 PM »
"Huh? Dimwit authority doesn’t just mean rulers or leaders my local imam is an authority I am an authority to my kids such an ambiguous verse and you somehow found divine imams in there for real"

Lol. Can't get any silly than this. Don't play with meanings. A word has more than one meaning so you can use this to your advantage and stick the meaning that suits you. So your local Imam and you are also in the Qur'an after Allah and his Messenger s.a.w. 😊 Sweet.

Your local Imam can commit a crime like molesting children and get arrested for it. Parents can turn out bad towards their children. And you still believe local Imams of a mosque and patents are wali after Allah and his Messenger s.a.w and in that sequence. 😊 Think again.So Allah is your wali, the Messenger s.a.w. is your wali and everybody is a wali of each other. 😀 Hallelujah!

Yazeed Ibne Muawiya is your wali? Well he must be since he was caliph of the Muslims. This is your belief. Our belief is Allah is out wali, Muhammad s.a.w is our wali and Allah has put certain believers as wali on the believers after Allah and his Messenger s.a.w. And we believe they are the Ahlul Bayt, the progeny of the Prophet s.a.w which Qur'an and Muhammad s.a.w both speak about. And these are the two weighty things the Prophet s.a.w left behind for us. Allah is divine, his Messenger s.a.w is divine and so are the Ahlul Bayt who are our wali after Allah and his Messenger s.a.w and in that sequence.

"Lol the last verse you posted Alhamdulillah we BELIEVERS are walis of each other"

That's fine for you then. If you're wali of each other than why are you waiting for a saviour by the whos name will be the same as Muhammad s.a.w and who will be from the progeny of the Prophet s.a.w who will full the world with fairness and justice just as it will be full of tyranny and injustice. 😊 It seems like your walis will fill the world with tyranny and injustice 😊

"Only Allah is your Waliyy and His Apostle and those who believe, those who keep up prayers and pay the poor rate and they bow [in worship].

Note this, "those who keep up prayers and pay the poor rate and they bow"

These are certain specific people. Not everyone. If you keep this general and take the meaning that it applies to everyone then, you have good and bad, right and wrong, just and cruel, fair and crook, pious and evil etc and etc. And these can't be walis like Allah and his Messenger s.a.w 😊

So basically you have NOTHING at all, authority to you is a sign it means divine......sweet😁

Yes Allah swt is my wali so is prophet pbuh and those who bow in prayer and give charity (parents,leader,teacher basically any Muslim who we use as an authority).
No divinity here.
ALLAH HU AKABAR!😁

Yazid is DEAD and buried he wasn’t divine we don’t follow such people and you know it, to consider him as a wali? Lol NO! Far from it.

You are ADDING in divinity to wali yourself as you say it’s what you believe, you’ve created the idea and now you have to explain it by adding in beliefs to sunnah and Quran thatCLEARLY isn’t there regarding divinity to imams, basically you have nothing but assumptions.

we aren’t waiting dimwit syed ustaad, clearly your assumptions based on the lies you’ve been fed is making you post nonsense questions.😂

You’re the ones waiting for the Saviour of shiites some made up super saviour that RAN and hid away from Sunnis for over a millennia only to come out when their are at the least 313 hard Shiite warriors!!!😂

I end it there😂👍
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General Sunni-Shia / Re: Umar married Umm Kulthoom bint Ali - ayotollah Sistani
« Last post by TAHIR on April 12, 2020, 01:36:45 PM »
"Al Milani is a hypocrite"

Well so must be Mustafa Al Qazwini who also rejects and refutes this tale. And the majority who agree with them. They all must be hypocrites apart from a few who side with you over this.

Well there you go mate. Either it's hypocrisy who disagrees with you or its unreliable and not authentic what disagrees with you.

"You shias always hounded excuses to shadow this burn ,some said Ali (r.a) was forced to it .
Some said a Jinni wasade in place of umm kulthum....
And some play with number games"

We don't look for excuses. Everybody has their own opinion and view about things. And that is not the opinion and view of the entire Shia community or part of the entire Shia faith and must not be taken as such we you lot are trying your best to do.

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.Al Milani is a hypocrite"

Well so must be Mustafa Al Qazwini who also rejects and refutes this tale. And the majority who agree with them. They all must be hypocrites apart from a few who side with you over this.

Well there you go mate. Either it's hypocrisy who disagrees with you or its unreliable and not authentic what disagrees with you.
     
Yes exactly Milani is a hypocrite he says the hadith of Umar marrying umm kulthum is authentic ,then thinks he is more knowledgeable than imams and denies it is that hypocrisy or what else you call it .
Qaznawi or Milani whoever denies an authentic hadith from imam is a hypocrite.
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.  We don't look for excuses. Everybody has their own opinion and view about things. And that is not the opinion and view of the entire Shia community or part of the entire Shia faith and must not be taken as such we you lot are trying your best to do 
Yes you do exactly and you have been all the time
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