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General Sunni-Shia / Re: Once again I require your help
« Last post by muslim720 on April 11, 2020, 02:25:02 AM »He (Abu Hanifa) wasn't an infallible guide then you say that how can he differ with his teacher? Are you for real. He wasn't an infallible guide but can't differ and disagree? Why can't he? I'll tell you why he did and the reason you've given 'because he wasn't infallible'.
Wait, so Imam Abu Hanifa (rah) must have disagreed with his teacher because he was not infallible? Well, how many of the students of Imam Jafar Al-Sadiq (ra) do you Shias consider "infallible"? None! Therefore, by your logic, they too must have differed from their teacher.
Your logic only suffocated your own claim, lol.
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Because Hanifa was picked up engineered and programmed to work against Al Sadiq. One was supported by ever means and the other opposed by every means.
The fiqh of Imam Jafar Al-Sadiq (ra) was preserved through Imam Abu Hanifa (rah) so the latter was accepted because all the so-called "students" of Imam Jafar Al-Sadiq (ra) presented by Ithna Ashari school were all liars with the most prolific ones cursed by none other than Imam Al-Sadiq (ra) himself. Alhamdulilah for Imam Abu Hanifa (rah); the teachings of Imam Al-Sadiq (ra), otherwise, would have been lost, thanks to the treachery of Kufans who continuously conspired and murdered members of Ahlul Bayt (ra) one after another.
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Malik bin Nuwayrah was a companion of the Prophet s.a.w, was he not. He believed in Muhammad s.a.w being the last and final Prophet. Then Malik goes astray in believing in sajjah as a Prophet and following her. Malik being a companion could go astray and did according to you. But Hanifa couldn't be picked up, bought out and sold by the government against Al Sadiq?
I presented you an authentic Shi'i report in which Imam Al-Sadiq (ra) said that anyone who refuses to pay Zakat is an apostate and should be subjected to capital punishment. You completely forsook the fiqh of Imam Al-Sadiq (ra), as presented by Shi'i school, back then. So I am flabbergasted that you even had the audacity to present such an example. As for the example itself, we have authentic proof to prove Malik bin Nuwayrah's apostasy, the most eminent "Sahabi" for the Shia. Do you have a single authentic report that Imam Abu Hanifa (rah) was bought out? Unfortunately for you, the only people to make deals with the wrong crowd were your own first and second "infallible" Imams (ra), lol. That is, if we go according to your beliefs.
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Please do explain this. You call me Jahil but so far you are speaking on jahalat yourself.
This is a simple point! Is Ahlus Sunnah Wal Jama'ah just fiqh? I recommend you refrain from head beating this Muharram.
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One is not willing to pray behind the Imam of another school of thought. Then you have sectarian differences, the Ahle Sunnah Wal Jama'ah hate the Sunni Wahabis and the Deobandis hate the Barelvis.
Actually, the four Imams of fiqh (rah) all conceded that as an individual, they all thought they were right but it was also possible that they may be wrong and one of the other three was right (on one or more issues). As for Wahabis, Deobandis and Barelvis, you are conflating fiqh with aqeedah. Rest assured that such differences not only exist within Shia school but also amongst Ithna Asharis so your point is moot.
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Your Imams stood by the Ahle Baith based on words and not by faith or action
Still does not negate the fact that all four of them were imprisoned and tortured for their extreme love for Ahlul Bayt (ra). I would rather have those who support me by words than those who backstab me and my family and then hold annual processions of grief for my murder which happened because of them and at their hands. Thanks but no thanks!
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My Isna Ashari sect comes from Ghadeer
Alhamdulilah! Your sect comes from a rest stop between Mecca and Madina. At least you are honest that it has nothing to do with the Holy Prophet (saw) and Islam.
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And my 12th Imam Al Mahdi comes from the Prophet’s s.a.w hadith that a saviour will arrive to fill the world with justice and fairness as though it will be full of injustice and tyranny
He would have been here by now if you effeminate bunch could only find 313 men among you who could actually prove that their said father is their biological father and that they were not offspring of mut'ah. Millions of you and not even 313 men among you, lol!
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Neither do we. Try to stick to one subject at a time
Sure you don't give Attributes of Allah (swt) to the Imams (ra)? Re-consider your position or I will blast you on this one. I just blasted two "intellectual" Shias on this point on YouTube.
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The Muslims who let Hassan down after giving allegiance to him. And now some consider him the 5th Caliph of the Muslims. And some consider Muawiya the 5th Caliph of the Muslims ridding Hassan completely. It's the Muslims mate who have been cause of their own problems.
How is it the Muslims' fault when Imam Hassan (ra) himself handed their affairs over to Muawiya? Muslims obey the Imam, not oppose him. When he made way for another person, Muslims accepted it as part of his wisdom. Renegades, on the other hand, are still burning over it till this very day, lol.
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You believe in the made up story. That's exactly why stories like that were made up. Just as a counter argument to challenge the truth and facts and to show that it was all sugar and honey
In the other discussion topic, brothers have shown you authentic evidence from Shi'i sources and scholars that Umar (ra) married the daughter of Imam Ali (ra). It is not my problem that you cannot see the sun because your eyes are shut; just don't say that it (the sun) does not exist!