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Siamak

convert and question - former Shia
« on: February 20, 2015, 12:25:04 PM »
Assalaamu 'alaikum WR WB
My name is Siamak, left shia in 2008.im from iran.One of the biggest reasons I left Shiism is because almost all of the Shii theories have no Qur'anic backing. One of those happens to be the concept of Imamah - 'Ali's succession, 12 Imams, Divinely appointed Imams after Rasul Allah (saw) e.t.c.. The more I was reading (also Sunnah, Hadith, etc.) the more I was convinced that the sunni Islam is actually a beautiful and wise religion.
but im living in iran.In the recent past, shias are spreading so wast in iran.The websites, the media, the handbills and many more materials which promote shiism are encouraging the youth by calling them towards so called shia revert and claiming some sunni converted to shia specially towards palestine morocco algeria egypt
Well, I am not backbiting, but I want to know the truth about this news
From some iranian sources(media , website) I got to know some sunnis in palestine morocco algeria egypt converted to shia
Is that true? Can anyone give me authentic information about them?
But I am in a dire need of knowing whether they are converted to shia, 'coz I am writing an awareness article for the local youth (Against Shiya) and I need AUTHENTIC facts about them as well ('coz the muslims here are shia craziest fans !!)
Someone plz help me with it Insha Allah
-If this post is not appropriate Admins plz do remove it


reason for edit: improved the title.
« Last Edit: February 23, 2015, 11:25:17 PM by AbuMuslimKhorasani »

Hani

Re: convert and question
« Reply #1 on: February 20, 2015, 01:04:01 PM »
Salam `Aleykum,

First of all Allah has blessed you with the Sunnah of Rasul-Allah (saw), and he protected you from the deviance that those corrupt men fabricate and attribute to Ja`far and his father.

As far as conversions, there are some Muslims who were tricked into becoming Shia, especially in poor African countries or countries where there isn't any strong Islamic education such as Tunisia or Indonesia. I am from Sham and I do not know anyone who became a Shia but I'm pretty sure there must be some here and there. Another thing is, we've been observing that a lot of the Sunnies who become Shia (online), they usually don't stick to it, they leave it after a while and return to Sunnah or atheism or something else. On the other hand, quite a few Shia living in western countries are becoming Sunni Alhamdulillah, their numbers aren't big but they're quite well educated about Tashayyu`, that is because Shiasm is like brainwashing, it is hard to leave it for many reasons, this is why a lot Shia who learn about how corrupt their faith is still can't leave it and end up becoming something in the middle between Sunni and Shia since they're too scared to leave that religion. Additionally, as you yourself stated, Iran is putting a lot of money and effort into converting Sunnies to Shiasm, Ahlul-Sunnah are mostly oblivious and do not care about these issues nor do they know anything about the Shia faith so they can counter it.

That's kinda it bro.
« Last Edit: February 20, 2015, 03:13:25 PM by Hani »
عَلامَةُ أَهْلِ الْبِدَعِ الْوَقِيعَةُ فِي أَهْلِ الأَثَرِ. وَعَلامَةُ الْجَهْمِيَّةِ أَنْ يُسَمُّوا أَهْلَ السُّنَّةِ مُشَبِّهَةً. وَعَلامَةُ الْقَدَرِيَّةِ أَنْ يُسَمُّوا أَهْلَ السُّنَّةِ مُجَبِّرَةً. وَعَلامَةُ الزَّنَادِقَةِ أَنْ يُسَمُّوا أَهْلَ الأَثَرِ حَشْوِيَّةً

Religion = simple & clear

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Re: convert and question
« Reply #2 on: February 20, 2015, 02:57:42 PM »
Walaikum Salam wr wb,

Welcome to the forum baradar and praise be to Allah for guiding you to the way of the Prophet (saw), his Ahlulbayt and his Companions.
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میل کی آید ز بوبکر و عمر
میل اگر بودی در آن دو مقتدا
هر دو کردندی پسر را پیشوا

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Hani

Re: convert and question
« Reply #3 on: February 20, 2015, 03:15:09 PM »
Would the brother mind opening a new thread and telling us some details of how he left Imami Tashayyu` and embraced the Qur'an and the Sunnah?
عَلامَةُ أَهْلِ الْبِدَعِ الْوَقِيعَةُ فِي أَهْلِ الأَثَرِ. وَعَلامَةُ الْجَهْمِيَّةِ أَنْ يُسَمُّوا أَهْلَ السُّنَّةِ مُشَبِّهَةً. وَعَلامَةُ الْقَدَرِيَّةِ أَنْ يُسَمُّوا أَهْلَ السُّنَّةِ مُجَبِّرَةً. وَعَلامَةُ الزَّنَادِقَةِ أَنْ يُسَمُّوا أَهْلَ الأَثَرِ حَشْوِيَّةً

Religion = simple & clear

Siamak

Re: convert and question
« Reply #4 on: February 20, 2015, 04:12:26 PM »
ok brother
im going to create a typic and explain why i become sunni muslim
now im bussy and im working and my time is limit
The reason is for me the Shia beliefs don’t make sense.shia wasnt the  right path, the path on which i was before the Safavids, Ahle Sonnat wa Jama’at. in iran I have seen many shia converted to sunni islam by reading shia resource

Ameen

Re: convert and question
« Reply #5 on: February 20, 2015, 05:37:55 PM »
Assalaamu 'alaikum WR WB
My name is Siamak, left shia in 2008.im from iran.One of the biggest reasons I left Shiism is because almost all of the Shii theories have no Qur'anic backing. One of those happens to be the concept of Imamah - 'Ali's succession, 12 Imams, Divinely appointed Imams after Rasul Allah (saw) e.t.c.. The more I was reading (also Sunnah, Hadith, etc.) the more I was convinced that the sunni Islam is actually a beautiful and wise religion.
but im living in iran.In the recent past, shias are spreading so wast in iran.The websites, the media, the handbills and many more materials which promote shiism are encouraging the youth by calling them towards so called shia revert and claiming some sunni converted to shia specially towards palestine morocco algeria egypt
Well, I am not backbiting, but I want to know the truth about this news
From some iranian sources(media , website) I got to know some sunnis in palestine morocco algeria egypt converted to shia
Is that true? Can anyone give me authentic information about them?
But I am in a dire need of knowing whether they are converted to shia, 'coz I am writing an awareness article for the local youth (Against Shiya) and I need AUTHENTIC facts about them as well ('coz the muslims here are shia craziest fans !!)
Someone plz help me with it Insha Allah
-If this post is not appropriate Admins plz do remove it


Salaam brother and congratulations from me. What ever you are happy and comfortable with. Brother you said,

"I was convinced that Sunni Islam is a beautiful and wise religion",

Was the only reason for this that you were not satisfied and sure about certain Shia issues or did you actually look in to Sunnis version of Islam as well???





 



Ameen

Re: convert and question
« Reply #6 on: February 20, 2015, 05:51:25 PM »
Brother Hani, what you have put down is not true. I don't know where you get your information from but it certainly isn't right.

First of all both countries, Saudi as wel as Iran, both invest money in promoting their version of Isalm. So it's a two way thing and being bias about it and putting one side of the story isn't right and neither wise.

Secondly nobody tricks anyone in to anything but if that is how you feel then let me put this forward,

I have heard a lot of stories about Shias and what they believe in and get up to during Muharram and in Imam Barghas.

I even hear the same stories from the people we socialise and get to know through work, neighbourhood, friends, gatherings etc and i have to put them straight and right about what they have heard and have been told.

Brother none of these stories are true and there is not a shred of truth in them. It's just to keep people well away from Shiaism and the Shias. To stop people from socialising with Shias and to get to know them.

Will continue this.













 





Hani

Re: convert and question
« Reply #7 on: February 20, 2015, 07:06:01 PM »
^ That's why al-islam.org (Shia site) is full of Da`wah books translated to English such as Tijani's books and the rest. While on the other hand Sunnies barely have ANY books at all which discuss Tashayyu` in English, heck Minhaj al-Sunni by ibn Taymiyyah which is the main book used by Salafis to refute Shia since the time it was written has still not yet been translated to English.
عَلامَةُ أَهْلِ الْبِدَعِ الْوَقِيعَةُ فِي أَهْلِ الأَثَرِ. وَعَلامَةُ الْجَهْمِيَّةِ أَنْ يُسَمُّوا أَهْلَ السُّنَّةِ مُشَبِّهَةً. وَعَلامَةُ الْقَدَرِيَّةِ أَنْ يُسَمُّوا أَهْلَ السُّنَّةِ مُجَبِّرَةً. وَعَلامَةُ الزَّنَادِقَةِ أَنْ يُسَمُّوا أَهْلَ الأَثَرِ حَشْوِيَّةً

Religion = simple & clear

Siamak

Re: convert and question
« Reply #8 on: February 20, 2015, 08:54:24 PM »
Assalaamu 'alaikum WR WB
My name is Siamak, left shia in 2008.im from iran.One of the biggest reasons I left Shiism is because almost all of the Shii theories have no Qur'anic backing. One of those happens to be the concept of Imamah - 'Ali's succession, 12 Imams, Divinely appointed Imams after Rasul Allah (saw) e.t.c.. The more I was reading (also Sunnah, Hadith, etc.) the more I was convinced that the sunni Islam is actually a beautiful and wise religion.
but im living in iran.In the recent past, shias are spreading so wast in iran.The websites, the media, the handbills and many more materials which promote shiism are encouraging the youth by calling them towards so called shia revert and claiming some sunni converted to shia specially towards palestine morocco algeria egypt
Well, I am not backbiting, but I want to know the truth about this news
From some iranian sources(media , website) I got to know some sunnis in palestine morocco algeria egypt converted to shia
Is that true? Can anyone give me authentic information about them?
But I am in a dire need of knowing whether they are converted to shia, 'coz I am writing an awareness article for the local youth (Against Shiya) and I need AUTHENTIC facts about them as well ('coz the muslims here are shia craziest fans !!)
Someone plz help me with it Insha Allah
-If this post is not appropriate Admins plz do remove it


Salaam brother and congratulations from me. What ever you are happy and comfortable with. Brother you said,

"I was convinced that Sunni Islam is a beautiful and wise religion",

Was the only reason for this that you were not satisfied and sure about certain Shia issues or did you actually look in to Sunnis version of Islam as well???

there were some reason to i leave shia. Shi’ite View of the Companions is not right.have been searching about shia and sunni for 6 years .

in shia aqidah just accept 4 or 3  sahaba! the Shia do not accept bilal habashi and suhaib rumi and khabbab ibn al-aratt and abdullah ibn salam and kebab ibn manzar and...
 الكليني عن حنان بن سدير عن أبيه عن أبي جعفر أنه قال: "كان الناس أهل ردة بعد النبي (صلى الله عليه وآله وسلم) إلا ثلاثة فقلت: ومن الثلاثة فقال: المقداد بن الأسود وأبو ذر الغفاري وسلمان الفارسي, واختلفوا في عددهم فمنهم من زاد عن هذا العدد. والصحابة عند الشيعة قسمان
its true!! just 3 or for sahaba!!
shia believe that the Quran has a esoteric/hidden meaning that is different from its apparent meaning and only their Imams know this esoteric/hidden meaning, not even prophet Mohammad knew this esoteric/hidden meaning!
and shia scholars believe quran was changed by uthman!!
www.youtube.com/watch?v=f-DKWiRqJYc

and some another reasons...

Siamak

Re: convert and question
« Reply #9 on: February 20, 2015, 09:01:08 PM »
I searched for another religion, but nothing appealed to me.
I read the Qur'an each night before bedtime and it took four months to read it all. When I finished it, I decided to read it again, and again and now it has become a happy habit to read the Qur'an after my night time bath and before I go to sleep.i nobody can find shia aidah in quran.shia views isnt in quran.they believe  to 12 of imam but cant improve their aqidah in ouran and ...
After 4 years of careful consideration, I decided to revert tosunni Islam. This is the religion I want to be part of.

Furkan

Re: convert and question
« Reply #10 on: February 20, 2015, 09:06:32 PM »
May Allah strengthen this religion trough you brother.
Before Qazî Mihemed, President of the first kurdish Republic Mahabad was hanged the iranian judge asked:

“last words?”

Qazî: “I thank Allah: even in death he put my shoes above your heads”

Ameen

Re: convert and question
« Reply #11 on: February 20, 2015, 10:26:53 PM »
Thanks for the reply brother Siamak. Jazakallah. Brother, Hazrath Usman (ra) changed the Quran, this is not the view of the Shias. People have difference in thought, opinion and point of view, it doesn't matter which ever school of thought or what ever sect they belong to, be it Shia or Sunni.

Typing from my phone at work. Will get back to you!
 

Hani

Re: convert and question
« Reply #12 on: February 20, 2015, 10:29:26 PM »
`Uthman changed the Qur'an? Explain what you mean by "Changed" (You better not mean corrupted).
عَلامَةُ أَهْلِ الْبِدَعِ الْوَقِيعَةُ فِي أَهْلِ الأَثَرِ. وَعَلامَةُ الْجَهْمِيَّةِ أَنْ يُسَمُّوا أَهْلَ السُّنَّةِ مُشَبِّهَةً. وَعَلامَةُ الْقَدَرِيَّةِ أَنْ يُسَمُّوا أَهْلَ السُّنَّةِ مُجَبِّرَةً. وَعَلامَةُ الزَّنَادِقَةِ أَنْ يُسَمُّوا أَهْلَ الأَثَرِ حَشْوِيَّةً

Religion = simple & clear

Ameen

Re: convert and question
« Reply #13 on: February 20, 2015, 10:52:50 PM »
`Uthman changed the Qur'an? Explain what you mean by "Changed" (You better not mean corrupted).

Who is your question to???



Hani

Re: convert and question
« Reply #14 on: February 20, 2015, 11:00:49 PM »
TO YOU.

Simple, question: What do you mean by "changed"? What did he change?
عَلامَةُ أَهْلِ الْبِدَعِ الْوَقِيعَةُ فِي أَهْلِ الأَثَرِ. وَعَلامَةُ الْجَهْمِيَّةِ أَنْ يُسَمُّوا أَهْلَ السُّنَّةِ مُشَبِّهَةً. وَعَلامَةُ الْقَدَرِيَّةِ أَنْ يُسَمُّوا أَهْلَ السُّنَّةِ مُجَبِّرَةً. وَعَلامَةُ الزَّنَادِقَةِ أَنْ يُسَمُّوا أَهْلَ الأَثَرِ حَشْوِيَّةً

Religion = simple & clear

labelingtheory

Re: convert and question
« Reply #15 on: February 21, 2015, 07:36:42 AM »
Assalaamu 'alaikum WR WB
My name is Siamak, left shia in 2008.im from iran.One of the biggest reasons I left Shiism is because almost all of the Shii theories have no Qur'anic backing. One of those happens to be the concept of Imamah - 'Ali's succession, 12 Imams, Divinely appointed Imams after Rasul Allah (saw) e.t.c.. The more I was reading (also Sunnah, Hadith, etc.) the more I was convinced that the sunni Islam is actually a beautiful and wise religion.
but im living in iran.In the recent past, shias are spreading so wast in iran.The websites, the media, the handbills and many more materials which promote shiism are encouraging the youth by calling them towards so called shia revert and claiming some sunni converted to shia specially towards palestine morocco algeria egypt
Well, I am not backbiting, but I want to know the truth about this news
From some iranian sources(media , website) I got to know some sunnis in palestine morocco algeria egypt converted to shia
Is that true? Can anyone give me authentic information about them?
But I am in a dire need of knowing whether they are converted to shia, 'coz I am writing an awareness article for the local youth (Against Shiya) and I need AUTHENTIC facts about them as well ('coz the muslims here are shia craziest fans !!)
Someone plz help me with it Insha Allah
-If this post is not appropriate Admins plz do remove it

you realize the video of the "scholar" you just posted was kicked out of the seminary school in Iran right? He is not a reliable person. That being said, I don't know any reliable scholar who says the Qur'an was changed.

Siamak

Re: convert and question
« Reply #16 on: February 21, 2015, 09:07:27 AM »
`Uthman changed the Qur'an? Explain what you mean by "Changed" (You better not mean corrupted).
my meant some shia scolars believe  that there is distortion  in Quran. you can find some narrations in Shia books discuss  reffer to "Tahreef".and in shia resurces  discuss Quran has been wilfully distorted because the present Quran does not contain evidence that supports the core doctrines of Shiism, most importantly, the Imamate doctrine. they believe original Quran was compiled by Imam Ali, and later passed on to his descendent Imams.
sorry for my weak english  im persian

Siamak

Re: convert and question
« Reply #17 on: February 21, 2015, 09:14:40 AM »
Assalaamu 'alaikum WR WB
My name is Siamak, left shia in 2008.im from iran.One of the biggest reasons I left Shiism is because almost all of the Shii theories have no Qur'anic backing. One of those happens to be the concept of Imamah - 'Ali's succession, 12 Imams, Divinely appointed Imams after Rasul Allah (saw) e.t.c.. The more I was reading (also Sunnah, Hadith, etc.) the more I was convinced that the sunni Islam is actually a beautiful and wise religion.
but im living in iran.In the recent past, shias are spreading so wast in iran.The websites, the media, the handbills and many more materials which promote shiism are encouraging the youth by calling them towards so called shia revert and claiming some sunni converted to shia specially towards palestine morocco algeria egypt
Well, I am not backbiting, but I want to know the truth about this news
From some iranian sources(media , website) I got to know some sunnis in palestine morocco algeria egypt converted to shia
Is that true? Can anyone give me authentic information about them?
But I am in a dire need of knowing whether they are converted to shia, 'coz I am writing an awareness article for the local youth (Against Shiya) and I need AUTHENTIC facts about them as well ('coz the muslims here are shia craziest fans !!)
Someone plz help me with it Insha Allah
-If this post is not appropriate Admins plz do remove it

you realize the video of the "scholar" you just posted was kicked out of the seminary school in Iran right? He is not a reliable person. That being said, I don't know any reliable scholar who says the Qur'an was changed.
yes true but there are some narration in  classical Shia books discuss "Tahreef" (Distortion of the Quran) .
Shia narrator, Abu Baseer, reported that he said to Shia's Imam Ja'far As-Sadiq: "O Abu Abdullah (Imam Ja'far), what is Mus-haf Fatimah?" He replied "It is a Qur'an containing three times what is found in your copy of the Qur'an; yet by Allah, it does not contain even a single letter from your Qur'an." (Al-Kafi p. 385)
but they are practicing it to hide their beliefs
In a narration, Shia falsely attribut to the 8th Shia Imam, Ali bin Musa, he said: “ The one who is not wari (pious) has no religion and the one who does not practice Taqiyyah has no Iman ( deep faith).” So he was asked, "O grandson of the Messenger, until when (is one required to practice Taqiyyah)?" He replied, “Until a certain day (i.e. the day Imam Mahdi appears). Whoever does not practice Taqiyyah before the appearance of Imam Mahdi, is not one of us.” (Kashf al-Ghummah Al-Ardabili, pg. 341).
 
« Last Edit: February 21, 2015, 09:18:58 AM by Siamak »

labelingtheory

Re: convert and question
« Reply #18 on: February 21, 2015, 10:52:33 AM »
Assalaamu 'alaikum WR WB
My name is Siamak, left shia in 2008.im from iran.One of the biggest reasons I left Shiism is because almost all of the Shii theories have no Qur'anic backing. One of those happens to be the concept of Imamah - 'Ali's succession, 12 Imams, Divinely appointed Imams after Rasul Allah (saw) e.t.c.. The more I was reading (also Sunnah, Hadith, etc.) the more I was convinced that the sunni Islam is actually a beautiful and wise religion.
but im living in iran.In the recent past, shias are spreading so wast in iran.The websites, the media, the handbills and many more materials which promote shiism are encouraging the youth by calling them towards so called shia revert and claiming some sunni converted to shia specially towards palestine morocco algeria egypt
Well, I am not backbiting, but I want to know the truth about this news
From some iranian sources(media , website) I got to know some sunnis in palestine morocco algeria egypt converted to shia
Is that true? Can anyone give me authentic information about them?
But I am in a dire need of knowing whether they are converted to shia, 'coz I am writing an awareness article for the local youth (Against Shiya) and I need AUTHENTIC facts about them as well ('coz the muslims here are shia craziest fans !!)
Someone plz help me with it Insha Allah
-If this post is not appropriate Admins plz do remove it

you realize the video of the "scholar" you just posted was kicked out of the seminary school in Iran right? He is not a reliable person. That being said, I don't know any reliable scholar who says the Qur'an was changed.
yes true but there are some narration in  classical Shia books discuss "Tahreef" (Distortion of the Quran) .
Shia narrator, Abu Baseer, reported that he said to Shia's Imam Ja'far As-Sadiq: "O Abu Abdullah (Imam Ja'far), what is Mus-haf Fatimah?" He replied "It is a Qur'an containing three times what is found in your copy of the Qur'an; yet by Allah, it does not contain even a single letter from your Qur'an." (Al-Kafi p. 385)
but they are practicing it to hide their beliefs
In a narration, Shia falsely attribut to the 8th Shia Imam, Ali bin Musa, he said: “ The one who is not wari (pious) has no religion and the one who does not practice Taqiyyah has no Iman ( deep faith).” So he was asked, "O grandson of the Messenger, until when (is one required to practice Taqiyyah)?" He replied, “Until a certain day (i.e. the day Imam Mahdi appears). Whoever does not practice Taqiyyah before the appearance of Imam Mahdi, is not one of us.” (Kashf al-Ghummah Al-Ardabili, pg. 341).

Again, find me a reliable scholar that says shias believe in another Qur'an. They may believe that another book exists with other knowledges, but that doesn't mean its in comparison with the holy Qur'an.

And about Taqiyyah what is wrong with it? All muslims believe in Taqiyyah, it is in the Qur'an. Shias believe you can use it to save your life, just as the rest of muslims do.

Sunni and Shi'a commentators alike observe that verse 16:106 refers to the case of 'Ammar b. Yasir, who was forced to renounce his beliefs under physical duress and torture.

"Whoever disbelieves in Allah after his belief... except for one who is forced [to renounce his religion] while his heart is secure in faith. But those who [willingly] open their breasts to disbelief, upon them is wrath from Allah , and for them is a great punishment" - 16:106 (The holy Qur'an)

Hani

Re: convert and question
« Reply #19 on: February 21, 2015, 12:24:12 PM »

Again, find me a reliable scholar that says shias believe in another Qur'an. They may believe that another book exists with other knowledges, but that doesn't mean its in comparison with the holy Qur'an.


Let me give it a shot,

Al-Noori al-Tabrasi, big Shia Muhaddith and author of Mustadrak al-Wasa'il. He's reliable and believes in Tahreef right?
عَلامَةُ أَهْلِ الْبِدَعِ الْوَقِيعَةُ فِي أَهْلِ الأَثَرِ. وَعَلامَةُ الْجَهْمِيَّةِ أَنْ يُسَمُّوا أَهْلَ السُّنَّةِ مُشَبِّهَةً. وَعَلامَةُ الْقَدَرِيَّةِ أَنْ يُسَمُّوا أَهْلَ السُّنَّةِ مُجَبِّرَةً. وَعَلامَةُ الزَّنَادِقَةِ أَنْ يُسَمُّوا أَهْلَ الأَثَرِ حَشْوِيَّةً

Religion = simple & clear

 

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