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Who hanged the black cloth on the Kabah ?

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Who hanged the black cloth on the Kabah ?
« on: December 18, 2015, 10:23:36 PM »
Salam.

When was the black cloth hanged on the kabah ?
Was it done by the prophet (saw) or any of the Rightly guided caliphs ?

sameer

Re: Who hanged the black cloth on the Kabah ?
« Reply #1 on: December 19, 2015, 11:41:46 AM »
no it was done during the time of Abbasid Caliph Nasir

Re: Who hanged the black cloth on the Kabah ?
« Reply #2 on: December 19, 2015, 11:58:12 AM »
no it was done during the time of Abbasid Caliph Nasir

And why was it hanged ?
isn't that bidah ?

Ibn Yahya

Re: Who hanged the black cloth on the Kabah ?
« Reply #3 on: December 19, 2015, 12:25:20 PM »
no it was done during the time of Abbasid Caliph Nasir

And why was it hanged ?
isn't that bidah ?

No. Bid'ah is only really in terms of Ahkam. If it doesn't imply deficiency in the Shari'ah then there's no problem as ibn al-Jawzi says in Talbis Iblis when defining Bid'ah.

"We have demonstrated that the Salaf used to avoid all bid'ah, even if they were not harmful in order to avoid innovating that which was not (from the Sunnah). However, the Salaf did not see harm in practicing some innovations that did not contradict Shari'ah, and did not imply its deficiency."


Furkan

Re: Who hanged the black cloth on the Kabah ?
« Reply #4 on: December 19, 2015, 03:35:53 PM »
Throughout time It always had different colors, designs. For example the ottomans put a green one with different design/writings etc.
Before Qazî Mihemed, President of the first kurdish Republic Mahabad was hanged the iranian judge asked:

“last words?”

Qazî: “I thank Allah: even in death he put my shoes above your heads”

Sheikh

Re: Who hanged the black cloth on the Kabah ?
« Reply #5 on: December 21, 2015, 06:40:18 AM »
And why was it hanged ?
isn't that bidah ?


If it was a bidah, then the entire kaaba itself would be a bidah.  The kaaba in the times of the Prophet (saws) was of different dimensions than the current one.  It is the place that is holy, not the building or the cloth or the bricks.  The location itself.

GreatChineseFall

Re: Who hanged the black cloth on the Kabah ?
« Reply #6 on: January 05, 2016, 07:09:43 PM »
I came across this narration from Bukhari:

Quote
Narrated Hisham's father:

When Allah's Messenger (ﷺ) set out (towards Mecca) during the year of the Conquest (of Mecca) and this news reached (the infidels of Quraish), Abu Sufyan, Hakim bin Hizam and Budail bin Warqa came out to gather information about Allah's Messenger (ﷺ) , They proceeded on their way till they reached a place called Marr-az-Zahran (which is near Mecca). Behold! There they saw many fires as if they were the fires of `Arafat. Abu Sufyan said, "What is this? It looked like the fires of `Arafat." Budail bin Warqa' said, "Banu `Amr are less in number than that." Some of the guards of Allah's Messenger (ﷺ) saw them and took them over, caught them and brought them to Allah's Messenger (ﷺ). Abu Sufyan embraced Islam. When the Prophet (ﷺ) proceeded, he said to Al-Abbas, "Keep Abu Sufyan standing at the top of the mountain so that he would look at the Muslims. So Al-`Abbas kept him standing (at that place) and the tribes with the Prophet (ﷺ) started passing in front of Abu Sufyan in military batches. A batch passed and Abu Sufyan said, "O `Abbas Who are these?" `Abbas said, "They are (Banu) Ghifar." Abu Sufyan said, I have got nothing to do with Ghifar." Then (a batch of the tribe of) Juhaina passed by and he said similarly as above. Then (a batch of the tribe of) Sa`d bin Huzaim passed by and he said similarly as above. then (Banu) Sulaim passed by and he said similarly as above. Then came a batch, the like of which Abu Sufyan had not seen. He said, "Who are these?" `Abbas said, "They are the Ansar headed by Sa`d bin Ubada, the one holding the flag." Sa`d bin Ubada said, "O Abu Sufyan! Today is the day of a great battle and today (what is prohibited in) the Ka`ba will be permissible." Abu Sufyan said., "O `Abbas! How excellent the day of destruction is! "Then came another batch (of warriors) which was the smallest of all the batches, and in it there was Allah's Messenger (ﷺ) and his companions and the flag of the Prophet (ﷺ) was carried by Az-Zubair bin Al Awwam. When Allah's Messenger (ﷺ) passed by Abu Sufyan, the latter said, (to the Prophet), "Do you know what Sa`d bin 'Ubada said?" The Prophet (ﷺ) said, "What did he say?" Abu Sufyan said, "He said so-and-so." The Prophet (ﷺ) said, "Sa`d told a lie, but today Allah will give superiority to the Ka`ba and today the Ka`ba will be covered with a (cloth) covering." Allah's Messenger (ﷺ) ordered that his flag be fixed at Al-Hajun. Narrated `Urwa: Nafi` bin Jubair bin Mut`im said, "I heard Al-Abbas saying to Az-Zubair bin Al- `Awwam, 'O Abu `Abdullah ! Did Allah's Messenger (ﷺ) order you to fix the flag here?' " Allah's Messenger (ﷺ) ordered Khalid bin Al-Walid to enter Mecca from its upper part from Ka'da while the Prophet (ﷺ) himself entered from Kuda. Two men from the cavalry of Khalid bin Al-Wahd named Hubaish bin Al-Ash'ar and Kurz bin Jabir Al-Fihri were martyred on that day.

Re: Who hanged the black cloth on the Kabah ?
« Reply #7 on: January 05, 2016, 07:52:34 PM »
I came across this narration from Bukhari:

Quote
Narrated Hisham's father:

When Allah's Messenger (ﷺ) set out (towards Mecca) during the year of the Conquest (of Mecca) and this news reached (the infidels of Quraish), Abu Sufyan, Hakim bin Hizam and Budail bin Warqa came out to gather information about Allah's Messenger (ﷺ) , They proceeded on their way till they reached a place called Marr-az-Zahran (which is near Mecca). Behold! There they saw many fires as if they were the fires of `Arafat. Abu Sufyan said, "What is this? It looked like the fires of `Arafat." Budail bin Warqa' said, "Banu `Amr are less in number than that." Some of the guards of Allah's Messenger (ﷺ) saw them and took them over, caught them and brought them to Allah's Messenger (ﷺ). Abu Sufyan embraced Islam. When the Prophet (ﷺ) proceeded, he said to Al-Abbas, "Keep Abu Sufyan standing at the top of the mountain so that he would look at the Muslims. So Al-`Abbas kept him standing (at that place) and the tribes with the Prophet (ﷺ) started passing in front of Abu Sufyan in military batches. A batch passed and Abu Sufyan said, "O `Abbas Who are these?" `Abbas said, "They are (Banu) Ghifar." Abu Sufyan said, I have got nothing to do with Ghifar." Then (a batch of the tribe of) Juhaina passed by and he said similarly as above. Then (a batch of the tribe of) Sa`d bin Huzaim passed by and he said similarly as above. then (Banu) Sulaim passed by and he said similarly as above. Then came a batch, the like of which Abu Sufyan had not seen. He said, "Who are these?" `Abbas said, "They are the Ansar headed by Sa`d bin Ubada, the one holding the flag." Sa`d bin Ubada said, "O Abu Sufyan! Today is the day of a great battle and today (what is prohibited in) the Ka`ba will be permissible." Abu Sufyan said., "O `Abbas! How excellent the day of destruction is! "Then came another batch (of warriors) which was the smallest of all the batches, and in it there was Allah's Messenger (ﷺ) and his companions and the flag of the Prophet (ﷺ) was carried by Az-Zubair bin Al Awwam. When Allah's Messenger (ﷺ) passed by Abu Sufyan, the latter said, (to the Prophet), "Do you know what Sa`d bin 'Ubada said?" The Prophet (ﷺ) said, "What did he say?" Abu Sufyan said, "He said so-and-so." The Prophet (ﷺ) said, "Sa`d told a lie, but today Allah will give superiority to the Ka`ba and today the Ka`ba will be covered with a (cloth) covering." Allah's Messenger (ﷺ) ordered that his flag be fixed at Al-Hajun. Narrated `Urwa: Nafi` bin Jubair bin Mut`im said, "I heard Al-Abbas saying to Az-Zubair bin Al- `Awwam, 'O Abu `Abdullah ! Did Allah's Messenger (ﷺ) order you to fix the flag here?' " Allah's Messenger (ﷺ) ordered Khalid bin Al-Walid to enter Mecca from its upper part from Ka'da while the Prophet (ﷺ) himself entered from Kuda. Two men from the cavalry of Khalid bin Al-Wahd named Hubaish bin Al-Ash'ar and Kurz bin Jabir Al-Fihri were martyred on that day.

Very great .
but reference ?

GreatChineseFall

Re: Who hanged the black cloth on the Kabah ?
« Reply #8 on: January 05, 2016, 08:33:55 PM »
Reference    : Sahih al-Bukhari 4280
In-book reference    : Book 64, Hadith 314
USC-MSA web (English) reference    : Vol. 5, Book 59, Hadith 577
  (deprecated numbering scheme)

 

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