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Hadith of the pen and paper (ibn abbas and the word raziyyat)

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al-kulayni

Hadith of the pen and paper (ibn abbas and the word raziyyat)
« on: February 02, 2016, 10:56:57 AM »
Assalamu Aleykum,

In this hadith, ibn Abbas use the word "raziyyat" (calamity), do the scholars of islam made an explanation of this term ? Or are there other hadiths from Ibn Abbas (raa) in wich he explain why he use the word calamity to describe this event ?
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Hani

Re: Hadith of the pen and paper (ibn abbas and the word raziyyat)
« Reply #1 on: February 02, 2016, 06:09:18 PM »
what's wrong with translating it as "calamity"?
عَلامَةُ أَهْلِ الْبِدَعِ الْوَقِيعَةُ فِي أَهْلِ الأَثَرِ. وَعَلامَةُ الْجَهْمِيَّةِ أَنْ يُسَمُّوا أَهْلَ السُّنَّةِ مُشَبِّهَةً. وَعَلامَةُ الْقَدَرِيَّةِ أَنْ يُسَمُّوا أَهْلَ السُّنَّةِ مُجَبِّرَةً. وَعَلامَةُ الزَّنَادِقَةِ أَنْ يُسَمُّوا أَهْلَ الأَثَرِ حَشْوِيَّةً

Religion = simple & clear

al-kulayni

Re: Hadith of the pen and paper (ibn abbas and the word raziyyat)
« Reply #2 on: February 02, 2016, 09:07:51 PM »
There's nothing wrong with this term, but i wanted to know why he use this term to describe this event, he was the only sahabi to use this term, and we as sunni, we don't consider this event as a calamity, that's why i was thinking about this term.


Hani

Re: Hadith of the pen and paper (ibn abbas and the word raziyyat)
« Reply #3 on: February 02, 2016, 09:34:03 PM »
He was the only Sahabi who narrated this event anyway, nobody else narrated it as far as I know.

He used the term since it was in the final days of the Prophet (saw), he was dying and they fought around his bed which caused him grief and anger, add to that he never wrote that document for them (regardless of what it contains but still).
عَلامَةُ أَهْلِ الْبِدَعِ الْوَقِيعَةُ فِي أَهْلِ الأَثَرِ. وَعَلامَةُ الْجَهْمِيَّةِ أَنْ يُسَمُّوا أَهْلَ السُّنَّةِ مُشَبِّهَةً. وَعَلامَةُ الْقَدَرِيَّةِ أَنْ يُسَمُّوا أَهْلَ السُّنَّةِ مُجَبِّرَةً. وَعَلامَةُ الزَّنَادِقَةِ أَنْ يُسَمُّوا أَهْلَ الأَثَرِ حَشْوِيَّةً

Religion = simple & clear

Rationalist

Re: Hadith of the pen and paper (ibn abbas and the word raziyyat)
« Reply #4 on: February 03, 2016, 01:07:24 AM »
Regardless, Abdullah bin Abbas in the end withdrew from Imam Ali's Caliphate, which shows that the last will had nothing do with the divine appointment of Ali.

al-kulayni

Re: Hadith of the pen and paper (ibn abbas and the word raziyyat)
« Reply #5 on: February 03, 2016, 12:10:08 PM »
Barak Allahu fikum for your answers.

 

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