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Shia belief in tahreef

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Adil

Shia belief in tahreef
« on: March 07, 2020, 06:06:02 AM »
Asalaamualaykum, could you guys provide some source material for me on this topic?

I've already got the shiascans.com, videos by bolani Muslim and ebn hussein and I see http://www.twelvershia.net/?s=tahreef has a lot of stuff too. Anything I'm missing?

It's amazing how this guy is looking so happy as he talks about his kufr belief about the Qur'an being incomplete...

iceman

Re: Shia belief in tahreef
« Reply #1 on: March 08, 2020, 05:09:20 PM »
Asalaamualaykum, could you guys provide some source material for me on this topic?

I've already got the shiascans.com, videos by bolani Muslim and ebn hussein and I see http://www.twelvershia.net/?s=tahreef has a lot of stuff too. Anything I'm missing?

It's amazing how this guy is looking so happy as he talks about his kufr belief about the Qur'an being incomplete...


How is that a kufr belief according to you. And how does the entire Shia community at large and the Shia belief as a whole depend on what he's talking about?

TAHIR

Re: Shia belief in tahreef
« Reply #2 on: May 24, 2020, 06:48:20 AM »
How is that a kufr belief according to you. And how does the entire Shia community at large and the Shia belief as a whole depend on what he's talking about?

TAHIR

Re: Shia belief in tahreef
« Reply #3 on: May 24, 2020, 06:08:29 PM »
How is that a kufr belief according to you. And how does the entire Shia community at large and the Shia belief as a whole depend on what he's talking about?
It is a panthom  merit to believe in tahreef al quran
But the wahabees trouble mongers hate ahl Al bayt and believe this belief constitute kufr.

Soccer

Re: Shia belief in tahreef
« Reply #4 on: May 28, 2020, 01:57:36 AM »
Belief in Tahreef is fine only if one doubts whether Nubuwa ended.  Since we know Nubuwa ended, we must believe the book is safeguarded.

Majlisi went into great lengths to counter the explanation of the scholars of his time, that almost all the hadiths about Tahreef have alternative meaning than literal Tahreef or can be seen as talking about original intention or interpretation by God pertaining to verses.

This guy in the video is also going against majority view of scholars. It's sad.

« Last Edit: May 28, 2020, 01:59:22 AM by Soccer »
"Is it so bad, then, to be misunderstood? Pythagoras was misunderstood, and Socrates, and Jesus, and Luther, and Copernicus, and Galileo, and Newton, and every pure and wise spirit that ever took flesh. To be great is to be misunderstood.” ― Ralph Waldo Emerson, Self-Reliance

Noor-us-Sunnah

Re: Shia belief in tahreef
« Reply #5 on: May 28, 2020, 02:51:28 AM »
Belief in Tahreef is fine only if one doubts whether Nubuwa ended.  Since we know Nubuwa ended, we must believe the book is safeguarded.
How is it fine???. Astagfirullah.

If one believes that the verses were removed intentionally by corrupt people from Quran and the verses were misplaced deliberately to misguide people, then it is Kufr.

Soccer

Re: Shia belief in tahreef
« Reply #6 on: May 28, 2020, 03:00:34 AM »
How is it fine???. Astagfirullah.

If one believes that the verses were removed intentionally by corrupt people from Quran and the verses were misplaced deliberately to misguide people, then it is Kufr.

It's obviously not fine to doubt Nubuwa ended, but it was fine in the past. Same with believing in Tahreef, in the past, it would happen, and so there was nothing wrong with it, but now with Nubuwa ending, one has to believe the Quran is protected or else ending Nubuwa would be detrimental.

Since believing Nubuwa didn't end is not acceptable, so then, is believing tahreef Quran not acceptable. This is what I'm saying in my post. It's just phrased in contra-positive way.


"Is it so bad, then, to be misunderstood? Pythagoras was misunderstood, and Socrates, and Jesus, and Luther, and Copernicus, and Galileo, and Newton, and every pure and wise spirit that ever took flesh. To be great is to be misunderstood.” ― Ralph Waldo Emerson, Self-Reliance

 

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