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Did imams chase imamate
« on: June 25, 2020, 06:46:56 AM »
I'm looking for a thorough reading about how shia imams (notably Zayd, Jafar Sadiq, Ismail, Musa may Allah have mercy upon them) understood imamat and whether they're aware of the people considering them to be divinely appointed..and if Imamat was more like a political mumbo jumho im their sight for which they led uprisings against each other..
any book (English or urdu) about the evolutionary history of imamah would be useful
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Re: Did imams chase imamate
« Reply #1 on: June 25, 2020, 10:12:07 PM »
These may not be fully relevant to what you are looking for but they are good articles about the crisis of Imamah:

Infallibility of the Imams and its Evolution
https://www.twelvershia.net/2017/12/25/infallibility-imams/

History of the Alawite revolutions contradicts Imamah
https://www.twelvershia.net/2015/03/18/history-of-the-alawite-revolutions-contradicts-imamah/

The Shia Mahdi: the history of confusion
https://www.twelvershia.net/2015/10/30/the-shia-mahdi/

Understanding Imamate in the Early Shia Society
https://www.twelvershia.net/2017/02/11/understanding-imamate-early-shia-society/

According to Twelver Shia sources their 12 Imams were the most Taqqiyah-loving Imams ever among all Shia sects, at times even denying their Imamate and beliefs even from their closest followers. In one narration in al-Kafi Jafar Sadiq even denied he was an Imam whose obedience is obligatory when he was asked by two Zaydi Shias about his Imamah (Al-Kulayni 1/138  / Al-Kashshi p. 305).





در خلافت میل نیست ای بی‌خبر
میل کی آید ز بوبکر و عمر
میل اگر بودی در آن دو مقتدا
هر دو کردندی پسر را پیشوا

عطار نِیشابوری

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Re: Did imams chase imamate
« Reply #2 on: June 26, 2020, 05:25:30 AM »
These may not be fully relevant to what you are looking for but they are good articles about the crisis of Imamah:

Infallibility of the Imams and its Evolution
https://www.twelvershia.net/2017/12/25/infallibility-imams/

History of the Alawite revolutions contradicts Imamah
https://www.twelvershia.net/2015/03/18/history-of-the-alawite-revolutions-contradicts-imamah/

The Shia Mahdi: the history of confusion
https://www.twelvershia.net/2015/10/30/the-shia-mahdi/

Understanding Imamate in the Early Shia Society
https://www.twelvershia.net/2017/02/11/understanding-imamate-early-shia-society/
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I'll have a read - jazak Allah bro

According to Twelver Shia sources their 12 Imams were the most Taqqiyah-loving Imams ever among all Shia sects, at times even denying their Imamate and beliefs even from their closest followers. In one narration in al-Kafi Jafar Sadiq even denied he was an Imam whose obedience is obligatory when he was asked by two Zaydi Shias about his Imamah (Al-Kulayni 1/138  / Al-Kashshi p. 305).
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i checked the narration you gave but it's Majhool acc to Majlisi so in the end, no shia will accept this narration 🙄
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Re: Did imams chase imamate
« Reply #3 on: June 26, 2020, 10:23:46 PM »
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I'll have a read - jazak Allah bro
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wa iyyak

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i checked the narration you gave but it's Majhool acc to Majlisi so in the end, no shia will accept this narration 🙄

Narration is Majhool? I think you mean some of the narrators are majhool? What does Majlisi say exactly about the report?

در خلافت میل نیست ای بی‌خبر
میل کی آید ز بوبکر و عمر
میل اگر بودی در آن دو مقتدا
هر دو کردندی پسر را پیشوا

عطار نِیشابوری

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Re: Did imams chase imamate
« Reply #4 on: June 27, 2020, 07:43:00 AM »
Narration is Majhool? I think you mean some of the narrators are majhool? What does Majlisi say exactly about the report?
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i'm unable to post the actual SS of Miratul Uqul because the site is giving errors "Sorry, Forum.Twelvershia.net is unable to handle this request" and "Eroor : You've double clicked"
BTW Majlisi just said : Alhadith ul-Awwal - Majhool and then cites the explanation in the next paragraph in Arabic which i cant understand
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Re: Did imams chase imamate
« Reply #5 on: June 27, 2020, 10:58:58 PM »
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i'm unable to post the actual SS of Miratul Uqul because the site is giving errors "Sorry, Forum.Twelvershia.net is unable to handle this request" and "Eroor : You've double clicked"

Thanks for reporting the error.

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BTW Majlisi just said : Alhadith ul-Awwal - Majhool and then cites the explanation in the next paragraph in Arabic which i cant understand

I see.
در خلافت میل نیست ای بی‌خبر
میل کی آید ز بوبکر و عمر
میل اگر بودی در آن دو مقتدا
هر دو کردندی پسر را پیشوا

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Re: Did imams chase imamate
« Reply #6 on: June 28, 2020, 07:40:29 PM »
@Shia not Rafidi

Brother can you try posting the scan again? Hopefully, it works now. Make sure size is less than 1 MB.
« Last Edit: June 28, 2020, 07:43:45 PM by MuslimK »
در خلافت میل نیست ای بی‌خبر
میل کی آید ز بوبکر و عمر
میل اگر بودی در آن دو مقتدا
هر دو کردندی پسر را پیشوا

عطار نِیشابوری

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Shia not Rafidi

Re: Did imams chase imamate
« Reply #7 on: July 07, 2020, 06:28:07 AM »
@Shia not Rafidi

Brother can you try posting the scan again? Hopefully, it works now. Make sure size is less than 1 MB.
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#__Sunni of Prophet Muhammad__#

 

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