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Soccer

The sorcery and this issue.
« on: June 02, 2020, 10:22:39 PM »
The Quran has talked about Jibt and paralleled with it believing it to believing in the Taghut. Taghut and Jibt go together and cannot be separated.

This is because without sorcery the Quran would be a clear book, but God confirms his signs even after the casting, and so it's a force of will and holding on to God's rope and it is act of power of faith, to hold on to the light over the darkness of the sorcery pertaining to God's verses.

And it's hard, I know.  I've been attacked by demons and sorcerers my whole life, and probably should've died a long time ago, but I've survived and now am thriving because I fight it off and know what it is.

It is for this reason I was able to come back to believing in Mohammad (s) after being misguided with respect to Quran by sorcery that made me disbelieve.

I see demons and sorcery from a young age till now.  This is something you have to factor in, or you won't be guided.  If it was irrelevant, Quran would not emphasize on it nor mention it.

Not a wish of either a Rasool or Nabi but pertaining to it - sorcery was cast. This sorcery is not just something that can explained by history or culture or bias, it really messes you up to the degree you can't see what otherwise is very clear by language, flow, and contextual rules of language.

In the hadiths there are mines that are confirmation of the sorcery and there is also insights that are cure to the sorcery.

This is includes both Sunni and Shiite hadiths, and includes what has been declared authentic or even reached tawatur level as a curse mine that confirms the sorcery, and the cure includes even what is declared as weak or fabricated by a liar.

« Last Edit: June 02, 2020, 10:23:44 PM by Soccer »
"Is it so bad, then, to be misunderstood? Pythagoras was misunderstood, and Socrates, and Jesus, and Luther, and Copernicus, and Galileo, and Newton, and every pure and wise spirit that ever took flesh. To be great is to be misunderstood.” ― Ralph Waldo Emerson, Self-Reliance

Rationalist

Re: The sorcery and this issue.
« Reply #1 on: June 03, 2020, 03:48:04 AM »
Sihr is a bloodline agreement. One person signs up an oath to sign up 7 generation into it. Some in the family do not get signed up and suffer without knowing why they experience bad luck. Also the sad reality is many Muslims are into sihr. It does not matter if they are Shia or Sunni. This are just cover ups.

Soccer

Re: The sorcery and this issue.
« Reply #2 on: June 03, 2020, 06:50:19 AM »
Sihr is a bloodline agreement. One person signs up an oath to sign up 7 generation into it. Some in the family do not get signed up and suffer without knowing why they experience bad luck. Also the sad reality is many Muslims are into sihr. It does not matter if they are Shia or Sunni. This are just cover ups.

Also, don't confuse suffering with sorcery, Ayub was ill and suffered due to Iblis casting on him, however, he came out stronger.

Believers suffer from sorcery but are never defeated by it.
« Last Edit: June 03, 2020, 06:52:31 AM by Soccer »
"Is it so bad, then, to be misunderstood? Pythagoras was misunderstood, and Socrates, and Jesus, and Luther, and Copernicus, and Galileo, and Newton, and every pure and wise spirit that ever took flesh. To be great is to be misunderstood.” ― Ralph Waldo Emerson, Self-Reliance

Rationalist

Re: The sorcery and this issue.
« Reply #3 on: June 03, 2020, 08:13:51 PM »
Also, don't confuse suffering with sorcery, Ayub was ill and suffered due to Iblis casting on him, however, he came out stronger.

Believers suffer from sorcery but are never defeated by it.

What ruqyah methods do should the believers use to overcome sihr? As you know sihr on people has been done for years and years.

Soccer

Re: The sorcery and this issue.
« Reply #4 on: June 03, 2020, 11:07:18 PM »
What ruqyah methods do should the believers use to overcome sihr? As you know sihr on people has been done for years and years.
That's a different topic but related to this.  There are means Ahlulbayt teaching the following are foundational:

1. Using God's Name as a Veil
2. Using God's Name as an Asylum/Protection
3. Using God's Name as a sword to repel and attack back

These three are emphasized with respect to black magic by Ahlulbayt (a).

Then there is other things, but those 3 skills are foundational.
"Is it so bad, then, to be misunderstood? Pythagoras was misunderstood, and Socrates, and Jesus, and Luther, and Copernicus, and Galileo, and Newton, and every pure and wise spirit that ever took flesh. To be great is to be misunderstood.” ― Ralph Waldo Emerson, Self-Reliance

Rationalist

Re: The sorcery and this issue.
« Reply #5 on: June 04, 2020, 12:10:19 AM »
For the Sunnis its different.
We have to recite Surah Baqarah, falaq and nass daily as starting point. Then there are various ruqyah types online.
In additional we need to do daily adhkar after fajr and magrib.


Soccer

Re: The sorcery and this issue.
« Reply #6 on: June 04, 2020, 12:21:44 AM »
For the Sunnis its different.
We have to recite Surah Baqarah, falaq and nass daily as starting point. Then there are various ruqyah types online.
In additional we need to do daily adhkar after fajr and magrib.

Suratal Falaq and Suratal Nass only work if you combine these 3 skills when you say "by the name of God..." which is the foundation of the Quran and is the best verse of the best Surah in Quran (Suratal Fatiha).

Without action by intention and interior force, prayers can't work. You need a bit of action, and you need to believe in the nature of God's Name and gain some insight to it.

Just like Sunnah explains prayers (Salah), the hadiths and prayers of Ahlulbayt explain the name of God and how to tap into it and hold on to it.

It's only then Suratal Fatiha becomes secure way to God and only then do two last Surahs give insight on to repel dark sorcery.

"Is it so bad, then, to be misunderstood? Pythagoras was misunderstood, and Socrates, and Jesus, and Luther, and Copernicus, and Galileo, and Newton, and every pure and wise spirit that ever took flesh. To be great is to be misunderstood.” ― Ralph Waldo Emerson, Self-Reliance

Soccer

Re: The sorcery and this issue.
« Reply #7 on: June 04, 2020, 12:27:00 AM »
Then there are various ruqyah types online.


Reciting verses out of context of Quran which is what most Ruqyas are, can be used, to amplify darkness and blindness to Quran and help break the flow.  The soul when it sleeps and becomes heedless is no longer distressed and in pain, but falling asleep to get rid of pain from sorcery is not the best way.

Sometimes you have to embrace pain and fight your way through and hold on the water of light and blessings from God as did Ayub and fight back with tools and weapons from God as did Ayub did.

The prayers of Ahlulbayt show how to fight and wield weapons.

As for Veiling, it means blind them to you and disbelieve in what the sorcery says who you are, and you disappear when you do this with power.

As for asylum, it's the sky and stars therein, talked about in Quran, you have to look inward to see it and believe and remember what you are linked to.

As for the sword that fights back,  you have to lest your sins darkens your soul and then are consumed by envy and rebellion and heedlessness, and the light of protective fear is extinguished in your heart, which is the greatest warrior of gratitude, patience, love, compassion and is also an ally to hope that keeps hope growing.

And you have to fight back the demons that consume you and are destroying your world, and see them, with the sword of God, you can sense and hit them.

These 3 skills are not the only skills but they are foundational. What I mean by that, is without these, chances of success are low.


« Last Edit: June 04, 2020, 12:30:32 AM by Soccer »
"Is it so bad, then, to be misunderstood? Pythagoras was misunderstood, and Socrates, and Jesus, and Luther, and Copernicus, and Galileo, and Newton, and every pure and wise spirit that ever took flesh. To be great is to be misunderstood.” ― Ralph Waldo Emerson, Self-Reliance

Soccer

Re: The sorcery and this issue.
« Reply #8 on: June 04, 2020, 12:51:27 AM »
We have to recite Surah Baqarah

This can be both the awakener to it and cure, but only if recited properly.  To recite properly, you also need skills from other Surahs and you have to understand the distortion in the Torah to some extent. And you need the skills I talked about.

At the end, if this Surah is recited properly, and the heart receives, it's an ultimate cure from it and a safeguard for life. This not easy to achieve but must be striven for.

It's then you will gain mental clarity like never before to the world and it's history. Particularly, you will know of the role of sorcery with respect to it and you will know not to trust humans who are overpowered by it which is the majority of humans.



« Last Edit: June 04, 2020, 12:53:13 AM by Soccer »
"Is it so bad, then, to be misunderstood? Pythagoras was misunderstood, and Socrates, and Jesus, and Luther, and Copernicus, and Galileo, and Newton, and every pure and wise spirit that ever took flesh. To be great is to be misunderstood.” ― Ralph Waldo Emerson, Self-Reliance

Rationalist

Re: The sorcery and this issue.
« Reply #9 on: June 04, 2020, 03:36:02 AM »
Suratal Falaq and Suratal Nass only work if you combine these 3 skills when you say "by the name of God..." which is the foundation of the Quran and is the best verse of the best Surah in Quran (Suratal Fatiha).


In the Shafi school of thought you have to say Bismillah like the Shia schools.

Rationalist

Re: The sorcery and this issue.
« Reply #10 on: June 04, 2020, 03:37:34 AM »
This can be both the awakener to it and cure, but only if recited properly.  To recite properly, you also need skills from other Surahs and you have to understand the distortion in the Torah to some extent. And you need the skills I talked about.

At the end, if this Surah is recited properly, and the heart receives, it's an ultimate cure from it and a safeguard for life. This not easy to achieve but must be striven for.

It's then you will gain mental clarity like never before to the world and it's history. Particularly, you will know of the role of sorcery with respect to it and you will know not to trust humans who are overpowered by it which is the majority of humans.






The Torah and the Yahood are mentioned in a lot in Surah Maidah. This Surah works well against Kabbalah magic.

Rationalist

Re: The sorcery and this issue.
« Reply #11 on: June 04, 2020, 03:42:11 AM »
« Last Edit: June 04, 2020, 03:43:24 AM by Rationalist »

Rationalist

Re: The sorcery and this issue.
« Reply #12 on: June 05, 2020, 02:23:05 AM »
Do you remember Taair al Quds? I wonder if was involved with this stuff. He had great knowledge, but he was arrogant. In the end he left Islam. I noticed a lot of ex muslims are also into sihr. Then they open denounce religion and make it seem as if they were believers before.

Soccer

Re: The sorcery and this issue.
« Reply #13 on: June 06, 2020, 04:05:50 AM »
Do you remember Taair al Quds? I wonder if was involved with this stuff. He had great knowledge, but he was arrogant. In the end he left Islam. I noticed a lot of ex muslims are also into sihr. Then they open denounce religion and make it seem as if they were believers before.

We can go rabbit hole route, but the Quran as far as we can tell, it exposes people of the past up to the time of the Prophet (s), but everyone else, we have to study history and Imammate is a huge question regarding that, because if we are right, then it was Gog and Magog who killed Ahlulbayt (a) and oppressed them.

Of course Gog and Magog is something that they don't want exposed and so we have silly hadiths about this concept, but original revelation was in context in how they were believed by Christians and Jews.

And so we can go this route, but the first thing that needs to be done,  is acknowledge majority of humans have a sorcery on them and can't recite Quran properly as a result.
"Is it so bad, then, to be misunderstood? Pythagoras was misunderstood, and Socrates, and Jesus, and Luther, and Copernicus, and Galileo, and Newton, and every pure and wise spirit that ever took flesh. To be great is to be misunderstood.” ― Ralph Waldo Emerson, Self-Reliance

Rationalist

Re: The sorcery and this issue.
« Reply #14 on: June 06, 2020, 05:32:03 PM »
The problem isn't only that majority of people have sihr done to them.  This becomes a problem only when they are unaware. The main issue is majority of the world are into magic and they depend on the shayateen to help them in the education, careers, remove competition and get revenge.

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Rationalist

Re: The sorcery and this issue.
« Reply #15 on: June 06, 2020, 05:57:14 PM »
I love how 12er Shia cover themselves by using Sunni books. Taair al Quds defends 12er Shiaism by saying all forms of magic is haraam. Yet he later contradicts himself here.
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I personally possess a number of these books by the Sunnis for reference/academic purposes in my library.

I also knew a late Sunni Saint (may God Bless him) on personal level who was from the Ovaysia Tariqat and practiced all the halal forms of white magic and had many books which he inherited from his Sunni Sufi tariqat/lineage

https://www.shiachat.com/forum/topic/61499-quote-from-khamenii/?do=findComment&comment=834217

Soccer

Re: The sorcery and this issue.
« Reply #16 on: June 07, 2020, 07:46:47 AM »
Salam

Quran is a book of ultimately white magic.  Salah is suppose to be a form of white magic. Halal itself is a continuous ritual to be on guard of impure energy but suppose to make us distrust even more so sources of knowledge from other then God's book and his Appointed authorities. Prophets were White sorcerers but their sorcery was not naturally acquired, but rather, directly sustained power infused from revelation and guidance and sustenance from God "You did not throw when you threw but God threw".

Of course, when disbelievers meant Mohammad (s) was possessed or sorcerer, they meant it in the view, that his miracles were either performed by natural power acquired that even an evil person can acquire or that his miracles were done by demons and he was possessed by them and doesn't even realize what is happening.

There is more on this topic because miracles will return when Imam Mahdi (a) comes back in the open.

Part of defeating sorcery of the dark kind is getting connected to the tree of light and word of light brought out by God by which he establishes the believers. In fact, this is the main way and this is what is meant by the name of God.

Quran is a book of magic, if not read with white magic, it will not heal.  It becomes a healing mainly when force of will seeks help and Angels use it to heal darkness.

The Prayers in Saheefa Sajidaya are calculated keeping in mind this reality and compliment the Quran, and there is but a one or two mistakes that oppose the Quran in Saheefa Sajjadiya but over all definitely from Imam Zainal Abideen (a) and is a book of magic.

The Du'as of Ahlulbayt are meant to be white magically done.

And in fact, no du'a is accepted without some action by the doer. What is meant by that, is some white magic.

The difference in Islam, white magic includes retribution vengeance type magic, but only does, using the light.

While polytheists source of energy comes from evil tree of hell, the tree of envy, and who's branches is like that of the heads of the devils.

So their energy is two different things. Our happiness and their happiness may appear the same, our hate and their hate appear biologically same,  our good deeds and their good deeds appear to be one, and our love and their love of Creator one and the same, but this is what you need to realize,  energy and sustenance stemming from other then the name of God is evil through and through and dark are the pathways that lead away from God, be they appear outwardly to be the same.

The name of God is God's chosen rope and the household of time,  and the word of light. You are connected to it but chances since you don't see Ahlulbayt (a) through out it's pages, you've made a mountain of Iblis' power and main a gnat of the position of the Nabi(s) and Fatma (a) and the 12 Successors (a).

And for this reason, despite Imam's (a) power and Ahlulbayt (a) being more powerful now then any other age, and despite all the blessings of God's power and skills,  God cannot guide you, because you cling to Satanic tree.

This is what Quran means that the hard hearts follow the sorcery upon Quran, they are overpowered and see Satan over power them, and believe in his power, but don't guard or fight against it, nor pray to God nor fight off the sorcery with the soul's sword nor seek help from God's rope nor seek the family of the reminder for signs in the hidden and open world, and as a result perish.

And as for the verse "and were it that the Quran....and that the dead be talked to...", this is what Quran can do, it can even unveil you that you talk to the dead from history and see all dead souls, and it has that power per our hadiths, the Quran does.

The dead in hell don't believe in hell as they should, just like the disbelievers in this world are in hell, but don't acknowledge it.  The full reality and clear truth will be on the day of judgment.

And dead of disbelievers don't cease to disbelieve in Iblis after their death nor stop in serving him but rather further are immersed in a new type of falsehood, and the war between good and evil intensifies even there, but in different ways.

The day when proof without doubt possible, is the day of judgment, that's it. Even Mahdi (a) and Jesus (a) coming back, they will be accused of being sorcerers or possessed humans.

Demonic powers are limited and can't create reality, only distort it, can't bring into anything, just illusions of what the truth is, can't give power, only motivate out of dark energy and envy, can't teach the truth and guide towards it, but just immerse you in falsehood.

And Iblis (la) doesn't believe in God and believes,  deeply he knows the God of the chosen ones is true, but has even deceived himself that he is false, and false sky and illusion created by the chosen ones.

The damn creature believes he is good and has a case. He believes in the moral and way, but from another perspective, does not.

He has layered the world in deception, and their excuse of putting a sorcery to keep people from Ahlulbayt (a), is that people would be fools and follow these sorcerers, and believe Quran is created in synergy with magic, and so their excuse to hiding the truth of it, is that the people are not ready to understand sorcery and all it exposes.

And as for majority of Gog and Magog, they are deceived, in believing, Mohammad (a) was from a family of sorcerers and rebelled against them.

Abu Lahab was the Gog of his time, and so this is not fully wrong. What they don't understand, is that God raised him among the sorcerers of Arabia and Jinn worshipers, in the same way, he did so with hiding Moses' among Pharoah's people.

Mohammad (s) in a early age, was guided by Elyas (a) and he told him not to read a single book, despite Mohammad (s) thirst for knowledge and his awareness of God's family of the reminder. He and this is paraphrasing what I know of Quran, was told, "Oh Mohammad we know your heart is a seeker of truth and guide towards it, but you must be silent and must be patient and not read books and God will relieve you because this will help one day build your case when you receive the revelation"

It's a lie that Mohammad (s) was surprised and ran to Khadija (a) when revelation came, and doubted himself, rather, he heard Satan cry and Ali (a) was with him, and heard him and saw him as well, and Mohammad (s) said to Ali (a) "You hear all that I hear and you see all that I see, except you aren't a Nabi and verily you are a vizier and you are on good".

To believe Mohammad (s) wasn't aware of the dark energy, wasn't rational enough to see Satan and believe in Jesus (a) and his precedessors (a) is a big lie, rather Quran shows, that he sought the family of the reminder, and was guided by them before his Prophethood.

Mohammad (s) was never blind to reality,  he chose not to read books, to prove a case.  He neither read books of Christians or Jews nor sorcery of Abu Lahab and the likes, before revelation came to him permitting him to read.

And despite this, they accused the Quran of being a product of a group reciting it to him and teaching it, by that, they meant a group of Bani-Hashim who were now rebelling against the order of the gathering of Jinn and Humans, and breaking the ancient order.

They meant Mohammad (s) was pretending, and these people forged the Quran, and taught him sorcery, and taught him all of it.

Of course, this is despite, that the fact, Quranic verses were circumstantially revealed, and Quran was made over time, without order we see today. Rather, even verses were revealed in Meccan Surahs near the end of Prophet's (a) life, and early verses were revealed who would be put in context of what is mostly Madini verses.

And aside from that,  the Quran proves it's case, but this was the height of their accusations. First they accused a person teaching him who was not Arabic, then moved it to that. That is why Suratal Furqan is so important to understand with regards to God's path.

And white magic is the only way to defeat the dark magic, and so there must be a book of white magic from God and proof for it, and the Quran is a book that even the dark sorcerers make use of, and learn of it's ways.

They understand it better then Muslims, but are immersed in their own world.  And they will bring their view, when there is no Muslim aware of their view of magic and the Quran in this respect.

And we are approaching this. And this why they attack anyone becoming aware of them from Muslims and attack him with demonic forces, and watch every step taken by a person reading Quran to keep him blind.

You are to awaken to the world as it is, and not what they wish to hide from humanity. Atheism is a joke of all jokes, and it's no wonder Quran just addresses mainly as 2 birds in one stone to prove Tawheed and that, but it's not something to take seriously.

The world we live in, and all deeds, and all you will, is an act of magic, and evil deeds have an evil form due to that link to the tree of envy of hell, and good deeds have a good form due to the link to the word of God brought to life, the pure word, the tree of life.

God is the greatest one to be sought and helps by the means that connects us to him firmly.

The light lives and the leader is a white magician who power is directly sustained by God.  What disbelievers meant by magic of course, was, that he was demon possessed.

And this is war in the hidden world Iblis and his top forces on one hand, and Gabriel and Michael on the other hand.

And Gabriel calls to the King of time, the light, the leader, the Mahdi (a). And Michael calls to Gabriel.

And Gabriel forces need us to believe, and Michael forces, have it hardest, because they aren't working with good people, but are there to spread God's Compassion and make of the battle of good deeds and protect against evil deeds.

And all their power is linked to the root light the word of God, the tree of life, the Ahlulbayt (a) and the Angels ascend and descent from the house of time, the family of the reminder, who are the sky and starts of guidance - the place of safety and greatest weapons which we must get connected to.

There is no doubt Quran is mainly and focused on the true nature of magic and shows how look towards the stars of guidance and get connected by Mohammad (s) and his family (a) to God.






"Is it so bad, then, to be misunderstood? Pythagoras was misunderstood, and Socrates, and Jesus, and Luther, and Copernicus, and Galileo, and Newton, and every pure and wise spirit that ever took flesh. To be great is to be misunderstood.” ― Ralph Waldo Emerson, Self-Reliance

Rationalist

Re: The sorcery and this issue.
« Reply #17 on: June 07, 2020, 04:56:24 PM »
Are you gone nuts? Allah power is not sihr. Here you come down and defend it and call it white magic? The word sihr isn't even used. This is disgusting.

White or black its all haram. Magic means dillusion.  Turning a stick into snake is power from Allah which magic cannot do.

Rationalist

Re: The sorcery and this issue.
« Reply #18 on: June 07, 2020, 05:27:26 PM »


The name of God is God's chosen rope and the household of time,  and the word of light. You are connected to it but chances since you don't see Ahlulbayt (a) through out it's pages, you've made a mountain of Iblis' power and main a gnat of the position of the Nabi(s) and Fatma (a) and the 12 Successors (a).

And for this reason, despite Imam's (a) power and Ahlulbayt (a) being more powerful now then any other age, and despite all the blessings of God's power and skills,  God cannot guide you, because you cling to Satanic tree.

Nice takfir. You accuse others of hate and envy but what you said above shows your hatred and eny. The best part is its nicely covered up by disguising it with the names of Ahlul Bayt. The reality is both you and Taair ul Quds left Islam and went mental. Why? The reason if you involved yourself jinns. Today those jinns they still continue to deceive  you by telling you as they are Shia like yourself.

Soccer

Re: The sorcery and this issue.
« Reply #19 on: June 07, 2020, 06:50:45 PM »
Allah's (swt) word of light, word that firmly establishes believers, is magical in nature.  The Quran is a book of white magic,  God explains in suratal Hajj there is a dark magic on it, but that God makes clear his signs and annuls what Satan cast. This means Quran and Ahlulbayt (a) are a way to counter-magic the dark magic.

Without white magic, no du'a of benefit, nor Salah, and this is why "Bismallah" is most important verse and concept, because it's the heart of the white magic of Quran and Sunnah.

"Is it so bad, then, to be misunderstood? Pythagoras was misunderstood, and Socrates, and Jesus, and Luther, and Copernicus, and Galileo, and Newton, and every pure and wise spirit that ever took flesh. To be great is to be misunderstood.” ― Ralph Waldo Emerson, Self-Reliance

 

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