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Shia scholar: Ali gave Bayah bcuz Abubakr & Umar spread Tawhid & conquered lands

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بسم الله الرحمن الرحیم

Shia scholar Kashif al Ghita in his book Asl al-Shia was Usuliha p.193-196:
ثم لما رأى ان تخلفه يوجب فتقا في الاسلام لا يرتق، وكسرا لا يجبر، وكل احد يعلم ان عليا ما كان يطلب الخلافه رغبه فى   الامره، ولا حرصا على الملك والغلبه والاثره،  وحديثه مع ابن عباس بذى قار مشهور، وانما يريد تقويه الاسلام  وتوسيع  نطاقه، ومد رواقه، واقامه الحق واماته الباطل، وحين راى ان  المتخلفين، اعنى: الخليفه الاول والثانى بذلا اقصى  الجهد فى نشر كلمه التوحيد وتجهيز الجنود وتوسيع الفتوح، ولم يستاثروا ولم يستبدوا بايع وسالم، واغضى عما يراه  حقا له،  محافظه على الاسلام ان تصدع وحدته، وتتفرق كلمته، ويعود  الناس الى جاهليتهم الاولى. وبقى شيعته منضوين تحت  جناحه ومستنيرين بمصباحه. ولم يكن للشيعه والتشيع  يومئذ مجال للظهور،  لأن الاسلام كان يجري على مناهجه القويمة.

كاشف الغطاء في أصل الشيعة وأصولها ص 193 – 196

He says Ali gave Bayah because he saw Abubakr and Umar spread Tawheed, prepared the armies and expanded the conquests and they were not oppressive.

Can someone give a proper and complete translation please.


« Last Edit: December 01, 2014, 12:03:48 AM by AbuMuslimKhorasani »
در خلافت میل نیست ای بی‌خبر
میل کی آید ز بوبکر و عمر
میل اگر بودی در آن دو مقتدا
هر دو کردندی پسر را پیشوا

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al-kulayni

Here is thre translation from walid the crazy rafidhi tunsi

now this is the view of hussein al-kashif al-ghita :

he said in brief that ali gave bay'ah to protect islam and when he saw that the first two khalifat did great effort in spreading tawhid and preparing the armies and expanding the muslimland and that they werent selfish and oppressing he gave bay'ah and sought peace and turned a blind eye on what he believedwas his right to protect islam from disunity and schism for fear that people will return to their jahilyyah , and the shia stayed with him and in his shadow and there was no enough reason for shia to appear because islam was working according to its straight manhaj (during khilafat of shaikhain)

http://islamic-forum.net/index.php?showtopic=10180

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^ That is better :)

شکراً
در خلافت میل نیست ای بی‌خبر
میل کی آید ز بوبکر و عمر
میل اگر بودی در آن دو مقتدا
هر دو کردندی پسر را پیشوا

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fgss

From Google Translation:

"Then when he saw that his succession necessitates a hernia in Islam that cannot be repaired, and a fracture that cannot be forced, and everyone knows that Ali did not seek the caliphate out of desire for his command, nor out of concern for the king, domination and influence, and his conversation with Ibn Abbas in Dhi Qar is famous, but he wanted to strengthen Islam and expand its scope. And he extended his hall, established the truth and killed falsehood, and when he saw that the retarded, I mean: the first and second caliphs, made the utmost effort in spreading the word of monotheism, equipping the soldiers and expanding conquests, and they did not take advantage and did not tyrannize allegiance and peace, and he ignored what he saw as his right, preserving Islam to crack its unity. , disperse his word, and people return to their first ignorance. And his followers remained united under his wing and enlightened by his lamp. The Shiites and Shiites at that time had no room to appear, because Islam was running according to its orthodox methods"
إِنَّ أَصْدَقَ الْحَدِيثِ كِتَابُ اللَّهِ وَأَحْسَنَ الْهَدْىِ هَدْىُ مُحَمَّدٍ وَشَرَّ الأُمُورِ مُحْدَثَاتُهَا وَكُلَّ مُحْدَثَةٍ بِدْعَةٌ وَكُلَّ بِدْعَةٍ ضَلاَلَةٌ وَكُلَّ ضَلاَلَةٍ فِي النَّارِ

May Allah guide us to the true teachings of Quran and Sunnah of His beloved Prophet (s.a.w.w). Ameen

Mythbuster1

From Google Translation:

"Then when he saw that his succession necessitates a hernia in Islam that cannot be repaired, and a fracture that cannot be forced, and everyone knows that Ali did not seek the caliphate out of desire for his command, nor out of concern for the king, domination and influence, and his conversation with Ibn Abbas in Dhi Qar is famous, but he wanted to strengthen Islam and expand its scope. And he extended his hall, established the truth and killed falsehood, and when he saw that the retarded, I mean: the first and second caliphs, made the utmost effort in spreading the word of monotheism, equipping the soldiers and expanding conquests, and they did not take advantage and did not tyrannize allegiance and peace, and he ignored what he saw as his right, preserving Islam to crack its unity. , disperse his word, and people return to their first ignorance. And his followers remained united under his wing and enlightened by his lamp. The Shiites and Shiites at that time had no room to appear, because Islam was running according to its orthodox methods"

So the shiites were waiting for Islam that was run on orthodox methods to fall and the imams to pass away before rearing their ugly heads and creating a new fitna on the Muslims.

Sounds about right.👍

Soccer

So the shiites were waiting for Islam that was run on orthodox methods to fall and the imams to pass away before rearing their ugly heads and creating a new fitna on the Muslims.

Sounds about right.👍

The "Muslims" were composed of people who just came to Islam as well, not just original believers, including, those who fought the Prophet for most of his prophethood.

They are perfect?
By the name of God, the (universally) Compassionate, The (extremely) Compassionate; for the unity of the Togetherness; Is their unity in the travels in the winter and summer. So let them Worship the Lord of this household. The one who fed them from hunger and gave them security from fear.

Mythbuster1

The "Muslims" were composed of people who just came to Islam as well, not just original believers, including, those who fought the Prophet for most of his prophethood.

They are perfect?

Yes more perfect than the shiites who came after the Muslims, the Muslims are clearly mentioned in Quran not shiites who were the fitna amongst the Muslims.

“The first and the foremost of muhajir and ansar”  are …..TOTALLY BLESSED with the pleasure of Allah swt.

Alhamdulillah

Soccer

Yes more perfect than the shiites who came after the Muslims, the Muslims are clearly mentioned in Quran not shiites who were the fitna amongst the Muslims.

“The first and the foremost of muhajir and ansar”  are …..TOTALLY BLESSED with the pleasure of Allah swt.

Alhamdulillah

Why did they fight the Prophet when he showed them miracles and oppress believers if all of them were so perfect?
By the name of God, the (universally) Compassionate, The (extremely) Compassionate; for the unity of the Togetherness; Is their unity in the travels in the winter and summer. So let them Worship the Lord of this household. The one who fed them from hunger and gave them security from fear.

 

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