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General Sunni-Shia / Re: Iman of Abu Bakar ra and Iblis the same?
« Last post by Soccer on November 28, 2022, 08:25:50 PM »
Salam

Iblis tricks himself that the God of Mohammad (s) to be an evil Jinn and Iblis is the first Atheist in the sense does not believe in the Ultimate God and Creator.

Iblis recognizes that God of Mohammad (s) is right now the Lord of the worlds, but has hopes and dreams.

He believes similar to what Pharaoh says, when Pharaoh said that he would ascend and look towards the God of Musa (a), meaning reach such power of Musa (a) and defeat the genie giving him power.

Firon is in fact, one who the Qareen is Iblis himself.

So he believed Iblis and him and Shayateen would eventually get the power to reach the power of Musa (a).

Did he truly believe this? No. He lied to himself about it, but only woke up from his deception with the water was about to take him.

Iblis fears God but does not believe that the Lord of the Worlds is the Creator.

He believe the world is controlled by an evil Genie which he refers to "Allah Lord of the worlds", sarcastically,  and that all miracles are power from the evil Genies.

He of course fears the power of Angels and Prophets, so when a person disbelieve in the unseen power of Prophets, he thinks they are fools and is free from them.

Also, Iblis mechanism is not through means in which a person tells himself, "I'm going to be evil for evil sake".

He deceived himself that he is all about self-love and love as opposed to judgment.

He sees judgment and hell as evil, and believes he needs to stop "Allah" lord of the worlds, from putting people in hell.

When subdued on day of judgment, he will realize "I cannot save you nor can you save me", but till that day, he has deceived himself about this.

He tells himself he can save humanity from fire and tells himself he is good and he is the hero for both Jinn and mankind.

The Jinn under him have never saved disbelievers from disasters that came to the cities, but Iblis, would say this is tactical, when he and his forces are ready, they will fight to free all humans and Jinn.

He will overthrow the order of the universe he tells himself.

His TRUE INTENTION BUT DEEP INSIDE WHERE LAYERS OF DECEPTIONS TO HIMSELF KEEP HIM FROM REALIZING, is that HE WANTS PEOPLE TO GO TO HELL WITH HIM AND HAS NO OTHER INTENTION THEN THIS.

But many Jinn and humans believe in him especially people in the occult and magic type spirituality.





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Imamah-Ghaybah / What Khomeini (q) really meant.
« Last post by Soccer on November 28, 2022, 05:15:52 PM »
Salam




Yes he said this,  but what he is trying to say is that if Rasool (s) did what was commanded at Ghadir early, disputes would not occur, but that Rasool (s) was ordered to not do it till Ghadir. He is not saying Rasool (s) disobeyed God. He is saying Rasool (s) had circumstances that he could not vividly establish this his whole life.

The truth is Ghadir order was finally letting Rasool (s) know he is safe and protected from God to do so.

If Quran was vividly clear in this, there would be disputes, but what would have to happen is Sulaiman  (a) type power rule where Quran is forced to be safeguarded or the Quran would not have been safeguarded. It's either God force people to Welayat and Quran stays, or God allows room for rebellion and Quran stays. If the latter Quran is written in a way that allows room for misinterpretation and decontextualization games.

Had Rasool (s) done Ghadir early in his life as God commanded him to do later, there would be no ambiguity in the matter, but a lot of people would not believe in Islam. So Islam would be a weak position.

It would be well established Ali (a) is successor, but people would have rejected Mohammad (s) early.

Thus, Khomeini (q) is expressing wisdom of Mohammad (s) not explicitly establishing this to all people vividly as he did in Ghadeer and also later talks about how Quran is clear in it but has room for misinterpretation.

If there was no room for disputes early about this, Rasool (s) would have been killed earlier as he was killed later, and also a large amount of people who came to Islam after victory would not have tolerated it.

He also explains how Quran was revealed about Imamate of Ahlulbayt (a) and Rasool (s) explained this to companions, but this is not who Quran is talking about protecting him from. It's the people who if Ali (a) Welayat was clear, would have attempted to killed Rasool (s) long time ago. Rasool (s) acted on guarding this truth from pubic and his companions as well.  It was not that it was not known at all, it was that was not vividly emphasized on. The latter took place really at Ghadir.

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General Discussion / Re: Was Iblis an Angel?
« Last post by Soccer on November 28, 2022, 02:52:24 PM »
Angels are saints of Jinn and truest followers of Ahlulbayt (a) among Jinn. God’s Angels are chosen ones from Angels, that like Prophets won’t deviate. God’s chosen Angels are like the chosen humans, instances of God’s Name and the highest likeness in heavens and earth and greatest sign.

Iblis was an Angel but never one of God’s Angels. He was not chosen by God, but Angels who all Jinn were back then became arrogant in that they thought they were perfect worshipers of God. He was not chosen like Gabriel and Michael.

They were lead by Ahlulbayt of Mohammad (s) in the start, but back then Mohammad (s) and Ali (a) and Imams (a) were in light/fire form only, and did not take form of physical humans yet. So Angels all thought Ahlulbayt were one of them, Angels, but much higher in rank. Iblis did not mind following Mohammad (S) at this point.

Angels when tried with a lesser in body creature and limited creature and created of a more humble low nature, could predict that the physical nature can make us deviate and become hostile to one another and kill one another. They thought how can this be a good idea?

But one of the main reasons humans were created and not all creation created as Angels, was because Angels became arrogant. If they didn’t become over all arrogant, probably no need of creating humans.

Adam (a) also became a bit full of himself and thought he can attain the rank of the exalted ones and be of an authority that does not pass away, and envied their position, and sought to attain their position and went towards them ready to battle the exalted ones out of their station. But when he did so, sin entered his soul and shame became a thing, and so he became ashamed of being naked while before then it was not shameful. Shame did not exist.

But Adam (a) proved that God chose him for a reason when he repented and didn’t have resolve to disobey God. His rank was not diminished but even heightened and a contrast occurred where Iblis was too arrogant to repent, Adam (a) showed repentance and never disobeyed again.

Adam (a) questioned who the true God was only because Iblis swore to him by God but did so out of deception and there was no lie in Adam (a) and hence he trusted Iblis. However, his sin was that he didn’t resort to Ahlulbayt (a) the exalted ones, in the time of peril, but sought to take their position. Had he humbled himself and resorted to clarification and Tawasul from Ahlulbayt (a), the fall would not occur.

Michael means “likeness of God” so he too is created in holistic image as was Adam (a).

Not all saints from humans nor Angels who follow Ahlulbayt (a) attain that holistic glory and unite all beauty and virtues.

But the goal is to journey and become as much as the light as possible.

Angels attain higher rank through helping followers of Ahlulbayt (a) and asking forgiveness and seeking to protect them.

Jinn who disobey Ahlulbayt (a) and believe Adam (a) should have not been chosen or have their own religious views often accompany people with similar views.

Jinn who rebel and are Satans per Quran believe they are guided or tell themselves that.

A good question can be asked, how did Iblis disbelieve after witnessing highest type signs? This is one of the wisdom of Quran. Even highest type signs to a rebellious soul, will not convince.

He believes Ahlubayt (a) are possessed by a Jinn and does not believe in the Creator. He was per words of Imam Musa Alkhadhim (a) in tufaqal uqool, the first Atheist.

He probably sees Ahlulbayt (a) as either sorcerers deceivers or possessed by “Allah” who is a Jinn to him, and probably is confused about that since he has no proof either way.

Disbelievers sometimes accuse chosen ones as being sorcerers, sometimes as “possessed”, the difference between the two is that the latter is assuming they don’t know that the miracles they perform are not them doing it from power of God rather a Jinn or many Jinn have convinced them they acquired the power from God. The accusation they are sorcerers however is that they know what they are doing and are deceiving. Both ways are a way of disbelievers to deny miracles as God’s signs.
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General Discussion / Was Iblis an Angel?
« Last post by Soccer on November 28, 2022, 02:50:23 PM »
Salam

This thread is to discuss this topic.
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Imamah-Ghaybah / Re: Securers and those who granted security (translation of verses)
« Last post by Soccer on November 28, 2022, 02:35:32 PM »
Salam

Another verse:

وَعَدَ اللَّهُ الَّذِينَ آمَنُوا مِنْكُمْ وَعَمِلُوا الصَّالِحَاتِ لَيَسْتَخْلِفَنَّهُمْ فِي الْأَرْضِ كَمَا اسْتَخْلَفَ الَّذِينَ مِنْ قَبْلِهِمْ وَلَيُمَكِّنَنَّ لَهُمْ دِينَهُمُ الَّذِي ارْتَضَىٰ لَهُمْ وَلَيُبَدِّلَنَّهُمْ مِنْ بَعْدِ خَوْفِهِمْ أَمْنًا ۚ يَعْبُدُونَنِي لَا يُشْرِكُونَ بِي شَيْئًا ۚ وَمَنْ كَفَرَ بَعْدَ ذَٰلِكَ فَأُولَٰئِكَ هُمُ الْفَاسِقُونَ | Allah has promised those who granted security from you and do righteous deeds that He will surely make them successors in the earth, just as He made those who were before them successors, and He will surely establish for them their religion which He has approved for them, and that He will surely change their state to security after their fear, while they worship Me, not ascribing any partners to Me. Whoever disbelieves/is ungrateful after that—it is they who are the transgressors. | An-Noor : 55


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Imamah-Ghaybah / Re: Twelve Leaders of Quraysh
« Last post by Soccer on November 26, 2022, 06:33:50 PM »
Salam

There are five things to notice and must referred back to Quran in the hadith.

(1) Twelve
(2) rule/have authority over
(3) Successors
(4) honor of the religion/affair of Mohammad (s)
(5) Quraysh

As for 1. We see verses in Chapter 2, 5, 7, 9 about this.  And We have discussed them before.
As for 2, the context in Quran is God is the true King and has the true authority in heavens and earth.
As for 3, to succeed Mohammad (s), you have to be chosen by God, otherwise you cannot and it would be an empty claim.
As for 4, the Quran shows true honor is something hypocrites don't see in believers, and especially on the onset of trials.  However there is a lot in Quran how honor belongs to God Messenger and believers and does not belong to disbelievers.  To try to measure the honor of Islam materialistically and that believers cannot face oppression is unfair justice to what it means for Islam to remain honorable. In fact, this is a sign of hypocrisy to talk about glory of Islam in a materialistic sense.
As for 5, the Quran shows the true collective that protect and glorify the Kaba are the Mutaqeen (God-fearing) and no one else.
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Imamah-Ghaybah / Revisiting the "Twelve Successors" hadith.
« Last post by Soccer on November 26, 2022, 06:30:44 PM »
Salam

There are five things to notice and must referred back to Quran in the hadith.

(1) Twelve
(2) rule/have authority over
(3) Successors
(4) honor of the religion/affair of Mohammad (s)
(5) Quraysh

As for 1. We see verses in Chapter 2, 5, 7, 9 about this.  And We have discussed them before.
As for 2, the context in Quran is God is the true King and has the true authority in heavens and earth.
As for 3, to succeed Mohammad (s), you have to be chosen by God, otherwise you cannot and it would be an empty claim.
As for 4, the Quran shows true honor is something hypocrites don't see in believers, and especially on the onset of trials.  However there is a lot in Quran how honor belongs to God Messenger and believers and does not belong to disbelievers.  To try to measure the honor of Islam materialistically and that believers cannot face oppression is unfair justice to what it means for Islam to remain honorable. In fact, this is a sign of hypocrisy to talk about glory of Islam in a materialistic sense.
As for 5, the Quran shows the true collective that protect and glorify the Kaba are the Mutaqeen (God-fearing) and no one else.



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Quran-Tafseer / Re: Quraysh = Mutaqeen
« Last post by Soccer on November 13, 2022, 09:34:42 PM »
Salam

The Quran also says "you think them to be united, but their hearts are divided, this is because they are people who do not understand".

It can be seen Ahlulbayt (a) purpose is to make us understand and they been made together as Ahlulbayt so we understand and be united on truth and hold on to God through them.

The possessor of true understanding are thus the true protectors of the Kaba and Kaba purpose is linked to the station of Ibrahim (a) which is a means of connecting to God.
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Quran-Tafseer / Re: Quraysh = Mutaqeen
« Last post by Soccer on November 13, 2022, 09:28:31 PM »
Salam

Some fixing of translation.

There is one journey in the summer and winter, and it's the journey to God, that Lut (a) spoke of "I am embarking on a immigration to my Lord".

Quraysh as spoken about before refers to group of people bound by protecting the Kaba. The Quran says the true Awliya of the Kaba are the Mutaqin in Surah Anfaal.

In Surah Anfaal it also states that if Mohammad (s) spent all that which is on the earth, he could not unite their hearts, but that God united their hearts.

The rope of God is linked to God's light in a way, that is meant to unite us.

By the name of God...For the unity of the Togetherness/Quraysh. Is their (ie. Mohammad's (s) family) unity in the journey (for those who journey to God Ahlulbayt (a) are there is a unity) of the summer and winter. So let them Worship the Lord of this Household..

This goes well with the theme of "Lord of Musa and Haroun". It also shows why God did not sent them all over the earth in separate places and times, but has made the family of Mohammad (s) together in the journey of the Mutaqeen towards God.

And it's for our sake, for the sake of unity among us.  Otherwise, they do not require they be known nor do we really impact their glorious state with God so as for them to need us.

It's for our unity, that they been made into an Ahlulbayt together.

So worship the Lord of this House. Similar to "Lord of Ibrahim, Ismail, Isaac...One Lord".

This also goes well with what we say in Salah. "Lord of the highest".

Musa (A) is called "the highest" in Surah Taha, and there is a link to "Lord of Haroun and Musa".

Haroun (a) is together united with Musa (a) and we are not to separate him but rather its one of those relationships God has commanded we join.

Same with Ali (a), same with family of Mohammad (s).

The name of God brings together Ahlulbayt (a) which in Turn unites the Mutaqeen, and this understanding is part of protecting the Kaba and it's purpose.

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Imamah-Ghaybah / Re: Securers and those who granted security (translation of verses)
« Last post by Soccer on November 13, 2022, 08:44:51 PM »
Salam

Thus we see the title "Al-Momin" is directly related to God and Islam, why God is the Authority and King in reality, and has taken upon himself to compel creation to obey him.

Its in order to grant security in their souls and in the lands.

Some other verses that perhaps should be translated as "securers" or "those who granted security":

أَلَمْ تَرَ إِلَى الَّذِينَ أُوتُوا نَصِيبًا مِنَ الْكِتَابِ يُؤْمِنُونَ بِالْجِبْتِ وَالطَّاغُوتِ وَيَقُولُونَ لِلَّذِينَ كَفَرُوا هَٰؤُلَاءِ أَهْدَىٰ مِنَ الَّذِينَ آمَنُوا سَبِيلًا | Have you not regarded those who were given a share of the Book, they believe in the sorcerer and soothsaying representative (of Satan) and say to the polytheists: ‘These are better guided on the way than those who granted security? | An-Nisaa : 51

Indeed there is a hadith that says "alatheena amanu" here refers to the family of Mohammad (s).


وَمَنْ يُشَاقِقِ الرَّسُولَ مِنْ بَعْدِ مَا تَبَيَّنَ لَهُ الْهُدَىٰ وَيَتَّبِعْ غَيْرَ سَبِيلِ الْمُؤْمِنِينَ نُوَلِّهِ مَا تَوَلَّىٰ وَنُصْلِهِ جَهَنَّمَ ۖ وَسَاءَتْ مَصِيرًا | Whoever defies the Apostle, after the guidance has become manifest to him, and follows a way other then the securers, We shall abandon him to his devices and We shall make him enter hell, and it is an evil destination. | An-Nisaa : 115

الَّذِينَ يَتَّخِذُونَ الْكَافِرِينَ أَوْلِيَاءَ مِنْ دُونِ الْمُؤْمِنِينَ ۚ أَيَبْتَغُونَ عِنْدَهُمُ الْعِزَّةَ فَإِنَّ الْعِزَّةَ لِلَّهِ جَمِيعًا | —those who take the disbelievers for Awliya instead of the Securers Do they seek honour with them? [If so,] indeed all honour belongs to Allah. | An-Nisaa : 139

إِلَّا الَّذِينَ تَابُوا وَأَصْلَحُوا وَاعْتَصَمُوا بِاللَّهِ وَأَخْلَصُوا دِينَهُمْ لِلَّهِ فَأُولَٰئِكَ مَعَ الْمُؤْمِنِينَ ۖ وَسَوْفَ يُؤْتِ اللَّهُ الْمُؤْمِنِينَ أَجْرًا عَظِيمًا | except for those who repent and reform, and hold fast to Allah and dedicate their religion [exclusively] to Allah. Those are with the Securers and soon Allah will give the believers a great reward. | An-Nisaa : 146


4:146 can be similar to being with those who God favored verse.

What flows well with this is the verse:

وَإِذَا جَاءَهُمْ أَمْرٌ مِنَ الْأَمْنِ أَوِ الْخَوْفِ أَذَاعُوا بِهِ ۖ وَلَوْ رَدُّوهُ إِلَى الرَّسُولِ وَإِلَىٰ أُولِي الْأَمْرِ مِنْهُمْ لَعَلِمَهُ الَّذِينَ يَسْتَنْبِطُونَهُ مِنْهُمْ ۗ وَلَوْلَا فَضْلُ اللَّهِ عَلَيْكُمْ وَرَحْمَتُهُ لَاتَّبَعْتُمُ الشَّيْطَانَ إِلَّا قَلِيلًا | When a report of safety or fear comes to them, they immediately broadcast it; but had they referred it to the Apostle and to those vested with authority among them, those of them who investigate would have ascertained it. And were it not for Allah’s grace upon you and His mercy, you would have surely followed Satan, [all] except a few. | An-Nisaa : 83

Thus the Ulil-Amr are responsible over all matters of safety and fear,  those pertaining to this world and next which is comprehensive of the religion itself.


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