TwelverShia.net Forum

Question for the Shias - Yazid vs Pharoah

0 Members and 1 Guest are viewing this topic.

Optimus Prime

Question for the Shias - Yazid vs Pharoah
« on: March 03, 2015, 08:02:10 PM »
Who is the worse of the two? Who is the better villain? Please cite your reasons.

Ameen, Taha, and labelingtheory. Please enlighten us all.

adnan42

Re: Question for the Shias - Yazid vs Pharoah
« Reply #1 on: March 03, 2015, 09:21:16 PM »
dont be surprised if they end up answering umer ra.. :P
« Last Edit: March 03, 2015, 09:23:37 PM by adnan42 »

Furkan

Re: Question for the Shias - Yazid vs Pharoah
« Reply #2 on: March 03, 2015, 09:38:05 PM »
the sufyani dude, don't forget about him
Before Qazî Mihemed, President of the first kurdish Republic Mahabad was hanged the iranian judge asked:

“last words?”

Qazî: “I thank Allah: even in death he put my shoes above your heads”

Hani

Re: Question for the Shias - Yazid vs Pharoah
« Reply #3 on: March 03, 2015, 11:12:32 PM »
Let me sum it up for you by saying Pharaoh, but Shia mention Yazid more because their entire faith centers around Ahlul-Bayt and he killed some of them.

Now let the disasters begin.

PS, also don't be surprised if someone answers you with a question.
عَلامَةُ أَهْلِ الْبِدَعِ الْوَقِيعَةُ فِي أَهْلِ الأَثَرِ. وَعَلامَةُ الْجَهْمِيَّةِ أَنْ يُسَمُّوا أَهْلَ السُّنَّةِ مُشَبِّهَةً. وَعَلامَةُ الْقَدَرِيَّةِ أَنْ يُسَمُّوا أَهْلَ السُّنَّةِ مُجَبِّرَةً. وَعَلامَةُ الزَّنَادِقَةِ أَنْ يُسَمُّوا أَهْلَ الأَثَرِ حَشْوِيَّةً

Religion = simple & clear

Hadrami

Re: Question for the Shias - Yazid vs Pharoah
« Reply #4 on: March 04, 2015, 01:18:44 AM »
one thing for sure shia curse him, his father & other companion a lot while ive never seen any shia curse pharaoh, abu lahab etc

the question shud be who is worse, yazid or umar? Forget about firaun :D

Furkan

Re: Question for the Shias - Yazid vs Pharoah
« Reply #5 on: March 04, 2015, 01:49:44 AM »
Those big quraysh leaders and enemies of islam who would never accept islam and stay in jahiliyah were mentioned in the quran. The sahaba like abu bakr are praised in the quran so much, but shiites claim that abu bakr didn't accept islam and on top of that they accuse him (ra) of so many things which those kafir quraysh leaders even wouldn't do.
Before Qazî Mihemed, President of the first kurdish Republic Mahabad was hanged the iranian judge asked:

“last words?”

Qazî: “I thank Allah: even in death he put my shoes above your heads”

Optimus Prime

Re: Question for the Shias - Yazid vs Pharoah
« Reply #6 on: March 04, 2015, 02:24:50 AM »
Let me sum it up for you by saying Pharaoh, but Shia mention Yazid more because their entire faith centers around Ahlul-Bayt and he killed some of them.

Now let the disasters begin.

PS, also don't be surprised if someone answers you with a question.

I'm expecting JUST that.  ;D

Optimus Prime

Re: Question for the Shias - Yazid vs Pharoah
« Reply #7 on: March 04, 2015, 02:25:19 AM »
one thing for sure shia curse him, his father & other companion a lot while ive never seen any shia curse pharaoh, abu lahab etc

the question shud be who is worse, yazid or umar? Forget about firaun :D

That'll be left for another day.

Rationalist

Re: Question for the Shias - Yazid vs Pharoah
« Reply #8 on: March 05, 2015, 01:54:08 AM »
one thing for sure shia curse him, his father & other companion a lot while ive never seen any shia curse pharaoh, abu lahab etc

the question shud be who is worse, yazid or umar? Forget about firaun :D

If you want this answer go to a 12er Shia mosque on the day Bibi Fatima (sa) passed away and then ask them this question.

Optimus Prime

Re: Question for the Shias - Yazid vs Pharoah
« Reply #9 on: March 07, 2015, 03:11:10 AM »
C'mon.

Where they all gone?

Taha

Re: Question for the Shias - Yazid vs Pharoah
« Reply #10 on: March 07, 2015, 04:50:41 AM »
Pharaoh is worse than Yazeed and Yazeed is worse than Umar.

May Allah curse the first two.

Husayn

Re: Question for the Shias - Yazid vs Pharoah
« Reply #11 on: March 07, 2015, 01:28:45 PM »
Pharaoh is worse than Yazeed and Yazeed is worse than Umar.

May Allah curse the first two.

We must apply ta'wil to this Shii statement.

Obviously, Pharoah = Abu Bakr, Yazeed = Umar & 'Umar = 'Uthman.

Furthermore, "the first two" actually means "the first three".

And 'Ali is the dot above the i.
« Last Edit: March 07, 2015, 01:30:29 PM by Husayn »
إن يتبعون إلا الظن وما تهوى الأنفس

Hani

Re: Question for the Shias - Yazid vs Pharoah
« Reply #12 on: March 07, 2015, 02:00:24 PM »
^ Haha nice joke man! That's actually how Shia scholars interpret Hadiths.
عَلامَةُ أَهْلِ الْبِدَعِ الْوَقِيعَةُ فِي أَهْلِ الأَثَرِ. وَعَلامَةُ الْجَهْمِيَّةِ أَنْ يُسَمُّوا أَهْلَ السُّنَّةِ مُشَبِّهَةً. وَعَلامَةُ الْقَدَرِيَّةِ أَنْ يُسَمُّوا أَهْلَ السُّنَّةِ مُجَبِّرَةً. وَعَلامَةُ الزَّنَادِقَةِ أَنْ يُسَمُّوا أَهْلَ الأَثَرِ حَشْوِيَّةً

Religion = simple & clear

Hadrami

Re: Question for the Shias - Yazid vs Pharoah
« Reply #13 on: March 07, 2015, 02:53:44 PM »
shia interpret firaun = abu bakar, haman = umar & qarun = uthman...if im not mistaken

Taha

Re: Question for the Shias - Yazid vs Pharoah
« Reply #14 on: March 07, 2015, 07:31:32 PM »
Ali is the dot under the ب
Not the dot on the i.

But that hadeeth is fabricated anyways. I had a good discussion about it with a Jew, nonetheless (both the Quran and the Torah begin with the letter B. He gave his thoughts on why that is. T'was interesting.)

Optimus Prime

Re: Question for the Shias - Yazid vs Pharoah
« Reply #15 on: March 08, 2015, 04:02:25 AM »
Pharaoh is worse than Yazeed and Yazeed is worse than Umar.

May Allah curse the first two.

We must apply ta'wil to this Shii statement.

Obviously, Pharoah = Abu Bakr, Yazeed = Umar & 'Umar = 'Uthman.

Furthermore, "the first two" actually means "the first three".

And 'Ali is the dot above the i.

Sorry, brother. I don't quite geddit.

'Ali is the dot above the i?

Taha

Re: Question for the Shias - Yazid vs Pharoah
« Reply #16 on: March 09, 2015, 09:09:41 AM »
^ "The entirety of the Quran is contained in Al-Fatiha and the entirety of Al-Fatiha is contained in the bismillah and the entirety of the bismillah is contained in the ba and the entirety of the ba is contained in the dot under the ba. I am the dot under the ba."

Attributed to Imam Ali by some Shias. It is not a hadeeth and is not found in any major work, Sunni or Shia. Part of it (not the whole statement) was quoted by Al-Ghazali and Ibn Arabi, but they attributed it to someone else.

ahlebaitlover

  • **
  • Total likes: 8
  • +0/-0
  • Gender: Male
  • Love For the Sahaba is IMAAN!
  • Religion: Sunni
Re: Question for the Shias - Yazid vs Pharoah
« Reply #17 on: March 09, 2015, 04:55:00 PM »
I think this kind of discussion is uncalled for and does not need any sort of attention. It doesn't really benefit any one.
More relevant issues should be discussed here.
Shukran
Syed Asad Ali

Furkan

Re: Question for the Shias - Yazid vs Pharoah
« Reply #18 on: March 09, 2015, 07:21:36 PM »
Yes that's true, but rawafid dare to say that sahaba (or tabi'n ) are worse than farao etc...
Before Qazî Mihemed, President of the first kurdish Republic Mahabad was hanged the iranian judge asked:

“last words?”

Qazî: “I thank Allah: even in death he put my shoes above your heads”

Optimus Prime

Re: Question for the Shias - Yazid vs Pharoah
« Reply #19 on: March 10, 2015, 01:07:33 AM »
I think this kind of discussion is uncalled for and does not need any sort of attention. It doesn't really benefit any one.
More relevant issues should be discussed here.

How is it uncalled for?

It's an interesting comparison from a Rafidah perspective. This thread wasn't really intended for discussion anyway, but to gather views from the Shias. In turn this would reflect on how they really define kufar.

 

Related Topics

  Subject / Started by Replies Last post
17 Replies
4825 Views
Last post July 24, 2015, 01:11:15 AM
by muslim720
0 Replies
1013 Views
Last post October 03, 2015, 02:45:42 AM
by Optimus Prime
26 Replies
2643 Views
Last post November 27, 2017, 10:53:55 AM
by fgss
121 Replies
7042 Views
Last post April 05, 2019, 05:18:43 PM
by muslim720