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What is the system of government in Islam?
[الزمر 18]
بسم الله الرحمن الرحيم
الَّذِينَ يَسْتَمِعُونَ الْقَوْلَ فَيَتَّبِعُونَ أَحْسَنَهُ ۚ أُولَئِكَ الَّذِينَ هَدَاهُمُ اللَّهُ ۖ وَأُولَئِكَ هُمْ أُولُو الْأَلْبَابِ
صدق الله العلي العظيم

Farid

Re: What is the system of government in Islam? Question to Sunnis/Wahabis
« Reply #1 on: August 24, 2016, 02:09:00 AM »
Welcome to the boards.

I hope your time here will be a beneficial and entertaining one.

Re: What is the system of government in Islam? Question to Sunnis/Wahabis
« Reply #2 on: August 24, 2016, 02:16:07 AM »
Welcome to the boards.

I hope your time here will be a beneficial and entertaining one.

Entertaining? You think religion is a game? I asked a question, answer it if you can't let someone else do it. What is the system of government in Islam?
[الزمر 18]
بسم الله الرحمن الرحيم
الَّذِينَ يَسْتَمِعُونَ الْقَوْلَ فَيَتَّبِعُونَ أَحْسَنَهُ ۚ أُولَئِكَ الَّذِينَ هَدَاهُمُ اللَّهُ ۖ وَأُولَئِكَ هُمْ أُولُو الْأَلْبَابِ
صدق الله العلي العظيم

Ibn Yahya

Re: What is the system of government in Islam? Question to Sunnis/Wahabis
« Reply #3 on: August 24, 2016, 02:42:04 AM »
Khilafah or some kind of shari'ah in place.

Ibn Yahya

Re: What is the system of government in Islam? Question to Sunnis/Wahabis
« Reply #4 on: August 24, 2016, 02:44:31 AM »


Entertaining? You think religion is a game? I asked a question, answer it if you can't let someone else do it. What is the system of government in Islam?

Relax hes just welcoming you the board. Plus gaining knowledge and discussing ideas should be fun for researchers

Re: What is the system of government in Islam? Question to Sunnis/Wahabis
« Reply #5 on: August 24, 2016, 02:45:43 AM »
Khilafah or some kind of shari'ah in place.
Shariah=Laws
Khalifa=political position
You have not answered the question read it carefully, What is the system of government in Islam?
[الزمر 18]
بسم الله الرحمن الرحيم
الَّذِينَ يَسْتَمِعُونَ الْقَوْلَ فَيَتَّبِعُونَ أَحْسَنَهُ ۚ أُولَئِكَ الَّذِينَ هَدَاهُمُ اللَّهُ ۖ وَأُولَئِكَ هُمْ أُولُو الْأَلْبَابِ
صدق الله العلي العظيم

Ibn Yahya

Re: What is the system of government in Islam? Question to Sunnis/Wahabis
« Reply #6 on: August 24, 2016, 02:55:01 AM »
Khilafah or some kind of shari'ah in place.
Shariah=Laws
Khalifa=political position
You have not answered the question read it carefully, What is the system of government in Islam?

Khilafah = Islamic government
Shari'ah = Islamic laws

Re: What is the system of government in Islam? Question to Sunnis/Wahabis
« Reply #7 on: August 24, 2016, 02:59:37 AM »
Khilafah or some kind of shari'ah in place.
Shariah=Laws
Khalifa=political position
You have not answered the question read it carefully, What is the system of government in Islam?

Khilafah = Islamic government
Shari'ah = Islamic laws
Khilafa is a verb, which means succession, how does it work?
« Last Edit: August 24, 2016, 03:03:55 AM by اولي الالباب »
[الزمر 18]
بسم الله الرحمن الرحيم
الَّذِينَ يَسْتَمِعُونَ الْقَوْلَ فَيَتَّبِعُونَ أَحْسَنَهُ ۚ أُولَئِكَ الَّذِينَ هَدَاهُمُ اللَّهُ ۖ وَأُولَئِكَ هُمْ أُولُو الْأَلْبَابِ
صدق الله العلي العظيم

Hani

Re: What is the system of government in Islam? Question to Sunnis/Wahabis
« Reply #8 on: August 24, 2016, 03:47:14 AM »
The system is whatever the people choose as a system that's adequate for the situation and time they live in. Whatever laws and constitutions are chosen, must always respect divine laws and adhere to them.
عَلامَةُ أَهْلِ الْبِدَعِ الْوَقِيعَةُ فِي أَهْلِ الأَثَرِ. وَعَلامَةُ الْجَهْمِيَّةِ أَنْ يُسَمُّوا أَهْلَ السُّنَّةِ مُشَبِّهَةً. وَعَلامَةُ الْقَدَرِيَّةِ أَنْ يُسَمُّوا أَهْلَ السُّنَّةِ مُجَبِّرَةً. وَعَلامَةُ الزَّنَادِقَةِ أَنْ يُسَمُّوا أَهْلَ الأَثَرِ حَشْوِيَّةً

Religion = simple & clear

Re: What is the system of government in Islam? Question to Sunnis/Wahabis
« Reply #9 on: August 24, 2016, 03:53:00 AM »
The system is whatever the people choose as a system that's adequate for the situation and time they live in. Whatever laws and constitutions are chosen, must always respect divine laws and adhere to them.
So you make it up, making you astray from the Quran and the Sunnah. "whatever people choose"
[الزمر 18]
بسم الله الرحمن الرحيم
الَّذِينَ يَسْتَمِعُونَ الْقَوْلَ فَيَتَّبِعُونَ أَحْسَنَهُ ۚ أُولَئِكَ الَّذِينَ هَدَاهُمُ اللَّهُ ۖ وَأُولَئِكَ هُمْ أُولُو الْأَلْبَابِ
صدق الله العلي العظيم

Hani

Re: What is the system of government in Islam? Question to Sunnis/Wahabis
« Reply #10 on: August 24, 2016, 04:05:33 AM »
Why would I be astray?
عَلامَةُ أَهْلِ الْبِدَعِ الْوَقِيعَةُ فِي أَهْلِ الأَثَرِ. وَعَلامَةُ الْجَهْمِيَّةِ أَنْ يُسَمُّوا أَهْلَ السُّنَّةِ مُشَبِّهَةً. وَعَلامَةُ الْقَدَرِيَّةِ أَنْ يُسَمُّوا أَهْلَ السُّنَّةِ مُجَبِّرَةً. وَعَلامَةُ الزَّنَادِقَةِ أَنْ يُسَمُّوا أَهْلَ الأَثَرِ حَشْوِيَّةً

Religion = simple & clear

Re: What is the system of government in Islam? Question to Sunnis/Wahabis
« Reply #11 on: August 24, 2016, 04:34:43 AM »
Why would I be astray?
Do you read the Quran? If you did: One you wouldn't have said that "whatever people choose", and two you would have known why you are astray.
[النساء: 59] [An-nisa: 59]
بسم الله الرحمن الرحيم:
يَا أَيُّهَا الَّذِينَ آمَنُوا أَطِيعُوا اللَّهَ وَأَطِيعُوا الرَّسُولَ وَأُولِي الْأَمْرِ مِنْكُمْ 
صدق الله العلي العظيم
"O you who have believed, obey Allah and obey the Messenger and those in authority among you."
[الزمر 18]
بسم الله الرحمن الرحيم
الَّذِينَ يَسْتَمِعُونَ الْقَوْلَ فَيَتَّبِعُونَ أَحْسَنَهُ ۚ أُولَئِكَ الَّذِينَ هَدَاهُمُ اللَّهُ ۖ وَأُولَئِكَ هُمْ أُولُو الْأَلْبَابِ
صدق الله العلي العظيم

Hani

Re: What is the system of government in Islam? Question to Sunnis/Wahabis
« Reply #12 on: August 24, 2016, 05:34:16 AM »
That's a weak Istidlal, doesn't conflict with what I said. Tfaddal, show me how im wrong by elaborating.
عَلامَةُ أَهْلِ الْبِدَعِ الْوَقِيعَةُ فِي أَهْلِ الأَثَرِ. وَعَلامَةُ الْجَهْمِيَّةِ أَنْ يُسَمُّوا أَهْلَ السُّنَّةِ مُشَبِّهَةً. وَعَلامَةُ الْقَدَرِيَّةِ أَنْ يُسَمُّوا أَهْلَ السُّنَّةِ مُجَبِّرَةً. وَعَلامَةُ الزَّنَادِقَةِ أَنْ يُسَمُّوا أَهْلَ الأَثَرِ حَشْوِيَّةً

Religion = simple & clear

Sheikh

Re: What is the system of government in Islam? Question to Sunnis/Wahabis
« Reply #13 on: August 24, 2016, 07:47:03 AM »
It depends on what country you're in.

The Islamic Republic of Iran is an elected dictatorship.

The Islamic Republic of Pakistan is a democracy.

The Islamic State of Iraq and Sham is a terrorist organization.

All 3 governments call themselves Islamic and yet they are quite different from each other.

Or did you mean to ask about Islamic governments of the past?  For the majority of the time, the Ummah has had some sort of Caliph from the Rashidun (rightly guided) to the Ummayyads (harsh & sometimes corrupt) to the Fatimids (Shias) to the Ottomans (Turkish).

Re: What is the system of government in Islam? Question to Sunnis/Wahabis
« Reply #14 on: August 24, 2016, 08:31:43 PM »
That's a weak Istidlal, doesn't conflict with what I said. Tfaddal, show me how im wrong by elaborating.
First you prove you are astray from the Quran and Sunnah and that you haven't read the Quran, second you are crossing the red line by saying the "istidlal is weak" which is saying Aya is weak, which is saying the Words of Allah the merciful are weak and the Quran. Astaghfir allah.
« Last Edit: August 24, 2016, 08:35:38 PM by اولي الالباب »
[الزمر 18]
بسم الله الرحمن الرحيم
الَّذِينَ يَسْتَمِعُونَ الْقَوْلَ فَيَتَّبِعُونَ أَحْسَنَهُ ۚ أُولَئِكَ الَّذِينَ هَدَاهُمُ اللَّهُ ۖ وَأُولَئِكَ هُمْ أُولُو الْأَلْبَابِ
صدق الله العلي العظيم

Re: What is the system of government in Islam? Question to Sunnis/Wahabis
« Reply #15 on: August 24, 2016, 08:34:37 PM »
It depends on what country you're in.

The Islamic Republic of Iran is an elected dictatorship.

The Islamic Republic of Pakistan is a democracy.

The Islamic State of Iraq and Sham is a terrorist organization.

All 3 governments call themselves Islamic and yet they are quite different from each other.

Or did you mean to ask about Islamic governments of the past?  For the majority of the time, the Ummah has had some sort of Caliph from the Rashidun (rightly guided) to the Ummayyads (harsh & sometimes corrupt) to the Fatimids (Shias) to the Ottomans (Turkish).

My question was very clear, I will repeat my question. WHAT IS THE SYSTEM OF GOVERNMENT IN (I S L A M). Not countries governments. For example, the United States of America has a democratic system of ruling and has laws set up on how it's started, and ended as well as run. You are Sunnis who supposedly know Islam more than the shia who are "mushrikeen and kuffar" according to some of  YOU, as well as follow the Sunnah "correctly". Yet I have not gotten an answer out of FOUR people who tried.
« Last Edit: August 24, 2016, 08:44:38 PM by اولي الالباب »
[الزمر 18]
بسم الله الرحمن الرحيم
الَّذِينَ يَسْتَمِعُونَ الْقَوْلَ فَيَتَّبِعُونَ أَحْسَنَهُ ۚ أُولَئِكَ الَّذِينَ هَدَاهُمُ اللَّهُ ۖ وَأُولَئِكَ هُمْ أُولُو الْأَلْبَابِ
صدق الله العلي العظيم

Farid

Re: What is the system of government in Islam? Question to Sunnis/Wahabis
« Reply #16 on: August 24, 2016, 09:55:53 PM »
Chill, akhi. =]

We are not your enemies here. I, for one, am very open minded to your point of view.

Would you mind explaining to Hani (and the rest of us) how Al Nisa 59 is relevant to the discussion?

Sheikh

Re: What is the system of government in Islam? Question to Sunnis/Wahabis
« Reply #17 on: August 24, 2016, 11:22:30 PM »
Akhi, with all due respect, Islam is a religion and way of life, not a country. You can't reduce all of Islam to a form of government. There have been Islamic governments of the past and present just as there have been Christian governments of the past. But Christianity is a religion, not a country. Islam is also a religion and not a country.

Your ayat actually supports our position. In our daily lives we obey Allah (swt) and His Messenger (pbuh) and in our secular lives we obey our secular leaders insofar as that they don't ask us to go against Islam. I got a speeding ticket a few weeks ago and I paid it. The Qur'an doesn't have a speed limit for me to drive, but "those in authority" over here do, and so I paid my fine and obeyed them in not continuing to drive fast.

Hani

Re: What is the system of government in Islam? Question to Sunnis/Wahabis
« Reply #18 on: August 25, 2016, 12:25:21 AM »
Istidlal is weak doesn't mean that the text quoted is not authentic or divine, it means you are quoting a text that does not support or prove your point.

I will stick (word for word) to what I said in reply#8 until you elaborate and explain why I have went astray.

When you're done with that, please go ahead and explain to us what is the current system of government in Shiasm.
عَلامَةُ أَهْلِ الْبِدَعِ الْوَقِيعَةُ فِي أَهْلِ الأَثَرِ. وَعَلامَةُ الْجَهْمِيَّةِ أَنْ يُسَمُّوا أَهْلَ السُّنَّةِ مُشَبِّهَةً. وَعَلامَةُ الْقَدَرِيَّةِ أَنْ يُسَمُّوا أَهْلَ السُّنَّةِ مُجَبِّرَةً. وَعَلامَةُ الزَّنَادِقَةِ أَنْ يُسَمُّوا أَهْلَ الأَثَرِ حَشْوِيَّةً

Religion = simple & clear

Re: What is the system of government in Islam? Question to Sunnis/Wahabis
« Reply #19 on: August 25, 2016, 12:36:00 AM »
Istidlal is weak doesn't mean that the text quoted is not authentic or divine, it means you are quoting a text that does not support or prove your point.

I will stick (word for word) to what I said in reply#8 until you elaborate and explain why I have went astray.

When you're done with that, please go ahead and explain to us what is the current system of government in Shiasm.

I will explain to you why you are astray, which is the same answer to your second question and answer  after you tell me the system of government of Islam.

I am going to repeat my question, what is the system of government in Islam?
« Last Edit: August 25, 2016, 12:43:53 AM by اولي الالباب »
[الزمر 18]
بسم الله الرحمن الرحيم
الَّذِينَ يَسْتَمِعُونَ الْقَوْلَ فَيَتَّبِعُونَ أَحْسَنَهُ ۚ أُولَئِكَ الَّذِينَ هَدَاهُمُ اللَّهُ ۖ وَأُولَئِكَ هُمْ أُولُو الْأَلْبَابِ
صدق الله العلي العظيم

 

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