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Hani

Nahj-ul-Balaghah: Prophet left behind Allah's book
« on: December 22, 2015, 12:12:22 AM »
Salam,


I decided to start reading Nahj-ul-Balaghah, see if I can find useful things, I found them right in the first sermon where `Ali agrees with our understanding of Hadith al-Thaqalayn, that the only means of guidance left behind by the prophet (saw) is Allah's book:


ثُمَّ اخْتَارَ سُبْحَانَهُ لِمحَمَّد صلى الله عليه لِقَاءَهُ، وَرَضِيَ لَهُ مَا عِنْدَهُ، فَأَكْرَمَهُ عَنْ دَارِالدُّنْيَا، وَرَغِبَ بِهَ عَنْ مُقَارَنَةِ البَلْوَى، فَقَبَضَهُ إِلَيْهِ كَرِيماً صَلَّى اللهُ علَيهِ و آلِهوَخَلَّفَ فِيكُمْ مَا خَلَّفَتِ الاْنْبيَاءُ في أُمَمِها، إذْ لَم يَتْرُكُوهُمْ هَمَلاً، بِغَيْر طَريق واضِح، ولاَعَلَمٍ قَائِم. كِتَابَ رَبِّكُمْ [فِيكُمْ:] مُبَيِّناً حَلاَلَهُ وَحَرامَهُ، وَفَرَائِضَهُ وَفَضَائِلَهُ، وَنَاسِخَهُ وَمَنْسُوخَهُ، وَرُخَصَهُ وَعَزَائِمَهُ، وَخَاصَّهُ وَعَامَّهُ، وَعِبَرَهُ وَأَمْثَالَهُ، وَمُرْسَلَهُ وَمَحْدُودَهُ، وَمُحْكَمَهُ وَمُتَشَابِهَهُ، مُفَسِّراً جُمَلَهُ، وَمُبَيِّناً غَوَامِضَهُ.

[…Then Allah chose for Muhammad (saw) to meet Him, selected him for His own nearness, regarded him too dignified to remain in this world and decided to remove him from this place of trial. So He drew him towards Himself with honor. He (saw) left among you the same thing other Prophets left among their peoples, because Prophets do not leave them untended without a clear path and a standing ensign, namely the Book of your Creator clarifying its permission and prohibitions, its obligations and discretion…]

He doesn't mention that the Prophet (saw) left behind the Qur'an and Ahlul-Bayt as guidance, only the Qur'an and this was the way of previous prophets.
« Last Edit: December 22, 2015, 12:23:32 AM by Hani »
عَلامَةُ أَهْلِ الْبِدَعِ الْوَقِيعَةُ فِي أَهْلِ الأَثَرِ. وَعَلامَةُ الْجَهْمِيَّةِ أَنْ يُسَمُّوا أَهْلَ السُّنَّةِ مُشَبِّهَةً. وَعَلامَةُ الْقَدَرِيَّةِ أَنْ يُسَمُّوا أَهْلَ السُّنَّةِ مُجَبِّرَةً. وَعَلامَةُ الزَّنَادِقَةِ أَنْ يُسَمُّوا أَهْلَ الأَثَرِ حَشْوِيَّةً

Religion = simple & clear

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Re: Nahj-ul-Balaghah: Prophet left behind Allah's book
« Reply #1 on: December 22, 2015, 01:19:21 AM »
Walaikum Salam wr wb,

Excellent find akhi.

جزاک الله خیر
در خلافت میل نیست ای بی‌خبر
میل کی آید ز بوبکر و عمر
میل اگر بودی در آن دو مقتدا
هر دو کردندی پسر را پیشوا

عطار نِیشابوری

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Rationalist

Re: Nahj-ul-Balaghah: Prophet left behind Allah's book
« Reply #2 on: December 22, 2015, 01:42:49 AM »
Also there is nothing about the 12 Calipahs in the entire Najh Al Balagha. Secondly, the Twelvers claim that Shaqshaqiya is proof for divine appointment, but in the entire khutbah Imam Ali never references Ghadir or dawah Al Ashira. I wonder why?

Hani

Re: Nahj-ul-Balaghah: Prophet left behind Allah's book
« Reply #3 on: December 22, 2015, 03:16:56 AM »
Even if Shaqshaqiyyah is 100% authentic, there's nothing in it that proves `Ali was appointed. But it's weak so who cares.
عَلامَةُ أَهْلِ الْبِدَعِ الْوَقِيعَةُ فِي أَهْلِ الأَثَرِ. وَعَلامَةُ الْجَهْمِيَّةِ أَنْ يُسَمُّوا أَهْلَ السُّنَّةِ مُشَبِّهَةً. وَعَلامَةُ الْقَدَرِيَّةِ أَنْ يُسَمُّوا أَهْلَ السُّنَّةِ مُجَبِّرَةً. وَعَلامَةُ الزَّنَادِقَةِ أَنْ يُسَمُّوا أَهْلَ الأَثَرِ حَشْوِيَّةً

Religion = simple & clear

Khaled

Re: Nahj-ul-Balaghah: Prophet left behind Allah's book
« Reply #4 on: December 22, 2015, 03:26:22 AM »
وَنَاسِخَهُ وَمَنْسُوخَهُ،

Wait, does Imam Ali رضي الله عنه believe in tahreef???  ::)
كلُّ سُلامى من الناس عليه صدقة كلَّ يوم تطلع فيه الشمس، تَعدلُ بين اثنين صدقة، وتعين الرَّجل في دابَّته فتحمله عليها أو ترفع له عليها متاعَه صدقة، والكلمةُ الطيِّبة صدقة، وبكلِّ خطوة تَمشيها إلى الصلاة صدقة، وتُميط الأذى عن الطريق صدقة

Farid

Re: Nahj-ul-Balaghah: Prophet left behind Allah's book
« Reply #5 on: December 22, 2015, 06:15:44 AM »
^ This post should be a topic on its own. Hahah. Well done!

Ijtaba

Re: Nahj-ul-Balaghah: Prophet left behind Allah's book
« Reply #6 on: December 22, 2015, 03:43:40 PM »
Salam,


I decided to start reading Nahj-ul-Balaghah, see if I can find useful things, I found them right in the first sermon where `Ali agrees with our understanding of Hadith al-Thaqalayn, that the only means of guidance left behind by the prophet (saw) is Allah's book:


ثُمَّ اخْتَارَ سُبْحَانَهُ لِمحَمَّد صلى الله عليه لِقَاءَهُ، وَرَضِيَ لَهُ مَا عِنْدَهُ، فَأَكْرَمَهُ عَنْ دَارِالدُّنْيَا، وَرَغِبَ بِهَ عَنْ مُقَارَنَةِ البَلْوَى، فَقَبَضَهُ إِلَيْهِ كَرِيماً صَلَّى اللهُ علَيهِ و آلِهوَخَلَّفَ فِيكُمْ مَا خَلَّفَتِ الاْنْبيَاءُ في أُمَمِها، إذْ لَم يَتْرُكُوهُمْ هَمَلاً، بِغَيْر طَريق واضِح، ولاَعَلَمٍ قَائِم. كِتَابَ رَبِّكُمْ [فِيكُمْ:] مُبَيِّناً حَلاَلَهُ وَحَرامَهُ، وَفَرَائِضَهُ وَفَضَائِلَهُ، وَنَاسِخَهُ وَمَنْسُوخَهُ، وَرُخَصَهُ وَعَزَائِمَهُ، وَخَاصَّهُ وَعَامَّهُ، وَعِبَرَهُ وَأَمْثَالَهُ، وَمُرْسَلَهُ وَمَحْدُودَهُ، وَمُحْكَمَهُ وَمُتَشَابِهَهُ، مُفَسِّراً جُمَلَهُ، وَمُبَيِّناً غَوَامِضَهُ.

[…Then Allah chose for Muhammad (saw) to meet Him, selected him for His own nearness, regarded him too dignified to remain in this world and decided to remove him from this place of trial. So He drew him towards Himself with honor. He (saw) left among you the same thing other Prophets left among their peoples, because Prophets do not leave them untended without a clear path and a standing ensign, namely the Book of your Creator clarifying its permission and prohibitions, its obligations and discretion…]

He doesn't mention that the Prophet (saw) left behind the Qur'an and Ahlul-Bayt as guidance, only the Qur'an and this was the way of previous prophets.

Salaam.

I have one question regarding the narration which you gave. As nowadays I am studying on the topic Corruption of Previous Heavenly Books I couldn't find any evidence of Nabi Isa (a.s) leaving behind Heavenly Book (Injeel) for his (a.s) followers to follow a Book which would clarify its permission and prohibitions, its obligations and discretion.

The Four Gospels and New Testament which we have in our hands today are the books written by men and these books would be equivalent to our Hadiths and not our Holy Book (Al-Quran). So I feel (I maybe wrong in my assumption) that this narration is not supported by evidence.

Is there any evidence of proof of Nabi Isa (a.s) leaving Injeel behind in Book form or in hearts of men (like Hafidh e Injeel) for his followers to follow?

Hani

Re: Nahj-ul-Balaghah: Prophet left behind Allah's book
« Reply #7 on: December 22, 2015, 04:05:44 PM »
Islam states that `Isa (as) did leave a book called "Injeel", whether he left it in book form, or in the form of a small document or paper or just memorized in their hearts, I do not have knowledge of this. Fact is, he (as) left them a message referred to as "Kitab". The four gospels although Hadith books as we said earlier are most likely to contain large chunks of the original Injeel, so the current "bible" most likely contains the following:

1- Original passages from the Injeel preserved as they are.
2- Distorted passages from the original Injeel.
3- Authentic narrations from `Isa (as).
4- Lies attributed to `Isa (as).
5- Additions and commentaries by writers, scholars and copyists that are mistakenly considered a part of the bible.
عَلامَةُ أَهْلِ الْبِدَعِ الْوَقِيعَةُ فِي أَهْلِ الأَثَرِ. وَعَلامَةُ الْجَهْمِيَّةِ أَنْ يُسَمُّوا أَهْلَ السُّنَّةِ مُشَبِّهَةً. وَعَلامَةُ الْقَدَرِيَّةِ أَنْ يُسَمُّوا أَهْلَ السُّنَّةِ مُجَبِّرَةً. وَعَلامَةُ الزَّنَادِقَةِ أَنْ يُسَمُّوا أَهْلَ الأَثَرِ حَشْوِيَّةً

Religion = simple & clear

Ijtaba

Re: Nahj-ul-Balaghah: Prophet left behind Allah's book
« Reply #8 on: December 22, 2015, 05:11:04 PM »
Thanks Hani for your reply.

You gave a list of 5 things which are more likely to be contained in the New Testament.

I want to know is there any method or procedure to know or distinguish which passages contain Original passages from the Injeel preserved as they are, or which passages are Distorted passages from the original Injeel? What would constitute as Authentic narrations from `Isa (as) and what would be considered as Lies attributed to `Isa (as).

I as a Muslim would believe Al-Quran as a criterion for knowing Original passages of Injeel and Authentic statements of Nabi Isa (a.s) but for a Historian who is studying the Historical Reliability of New Testament would not use Al-Quran as criterion to distinguish facts from lies.

If Nabi Isa (a.s) did indeed leave the message referred to as Kitab then the question arises to whom did he give this Kitab? To his 11 disciples (did not include Judas Iscariot)? As far as my knowledge I find no mention of Nabi Isa (a.s) leaving behind a message in the form of Kitab.

However Nabi Isa (a.s) only left his teachings which his every follower had to the extent of time they spent with him (a.s). Nabi Isa (a.s) followers were not 24/7 with him nor did they write every word coming out from the mouth of Nabi Isa (a.s). Even if they did write every word of Nabi Isa (a.s) they had to distinguish between a Wahi and normal talk (non-Wahi) of Nabi Isa (a.s).

From reading Al-Quran we get to know only 11 disciples were true followers of Nabi Isa (a.s) so this would mean only 11 disciples would have the true message of Nabi Isa (a.s) but we find no evidence of 11 disciples possessing Injeel from Nabi Isa (a.s) when reading New Testament or Books written on Historical Reliability of Bible.

Ibn Yahya

Re: Nahj-ul-Balaghah: Prophet left behind Allah's book
« Reply #9 on: December 22, 2015, 07:12:04 PM »
Thanks Hani for your reply.

You gave a list of 5 things which are more likely to be contained in the New Testament.

I want to know is there any method or procedure to know or distinguish which passages contain Original passages from the Injeel preserved as they are, or which passages are Distorted passages from the original Injeel? What would constitute as Authentic narrations from `Isa (as) and what would be considered as Lies attributed to `Isa (as).

I as a Muslim would believe Al-Quran as a criterion for knowing Original passages of Injeel and Authentic statements of Nabi Isa (a.s) but for a Historian who is studying the Historical Reliability of New Testament would not use Al-Quran as criterion to distinguish facts from lies.

If Nabi Isa (a.s) did indeed leave the message referred to as Kitab then the question arises to whom did he give this Kitab? To his 11 disciples (did not include Judas Iscariot)? As far as my knowledge I find no mention of Nabi Isa (a.s) leaving behind a message in the form of Kitab.

However Nabi Isa (a.s) only left his teachings which his every follower had to the extent of time they spent with him (a.s). Nabi Isa (a.s) followers were not 24/7 with him nor did they write every word coming out from the mouth of Nabi Isa (a.s). Even if they did write every word of Nabi Isa (a.s) they had to distinguish between a Wahi and normal talk (non-Wahi) of Nabi Isa (a.s).

From reading Al-Quran we get to know only 11 disciples were true followers of Nabi Isa (a.s) so this would mean only 11 disciples would have the true message of Nabi Isa (a.s) but we find no evidence of 11 disciples possessing Injeel from Nabi Isa (a.s) when reading New Testament or Books written on Historical Reliability of Bible.

Wait. Are you talking about his disciples or his apostles (i.e. His close companions)?

But before that I'd just like to inform you that what Christians call the New Testament is really mostly letters and Epistles of Paul and other Apostles. There are only actually 4 Camonical Gospels in the New Testament and they are not books of law or revelations. They are accounts of his life, in particular his; birth, baptism, sermons, trials in the desert, his Passion and his alleged Resurrection. These gospels were not chosen based on authenticity, they were chosen based on coherence with Church teaching. There are many many gospels outside of those four, most of which have been destroyed but we still have some. They are known as the Apocryphal gospels.

Ijtaba

Re: Nahj-ul-Balaghah: Prophet left behind Allah's book
« Reply #10 on: December 22, 2015, 07:36:06 PM »
Wait. Are you talking about his disciples or his apostles (i.e. His close companions)?

But before that I'd just like to inform you that what Christians call the New Testament is really mostly letters and Epistles of Paul and other Apostles. There are only actually 4 Camonical Gospels in the New Testament and they are not books of law or revelations. They are accounts of his life, in particular his; birth, baptism, sermons, trials in the desert, his Passion and his alleged Resurrection. These gospels were not chosen based on authenticity, they were chosen based on coherence with Church teaching. There are many many gospels outside of those four, most of which have been destroyed but we still have some. They are known as the Apocryphal gospels.

Whether disciples or apostles of Jesus.. they all were observant of Jewish laws and took Torah as the only Holy Book during the life of Jesus till his so-called Resurrection from Crucifixion. Jesus never handed them down a new revelation because there is no evidence indicating thus.

Because of this I found the following narration of Imam Ali (a.s) in Najhul Balagah confusing.

He (saw) left among you the same thing other Prophets left among their peoples, because Prophets do not leave them untended without a clear path and a standing ensign, namely the Book of your Creator clarifying its permission and prohibitions, its obligations and discretion

Jesus never gave a Book to his apostles or disciples because both his apostles and disciples followed the Jewish Law and were observant of the Law. Jesus teachings just gave them spiritual upliftment. Jesus himself observed the Law and said I never came to abolish the Law but to fulfill the Law.

If there is any evidence of Jesus handing down Injeel to his Apostles or Disciples in his lifetime then I did want to look into that evidence.

Hani

Re: Nahj-ul-Balaghah: Prophet left behind Allah's book
« Reply #11 on: December 22, 2015, 08:49:00 PM »
"I never came to abolish the Law but to fulfill the Law."

Not abrogating the old laws does not mean that he never introduced new ones that discuss other matters of spirituality and wisdom, or even new verses nor does it even mean that he (as) never abrogated specific laws from Judaism but left the main body of laws intact.

Sadly we can only go so far with the scientific method, unless we had a time machine.

As previously mentioned, the only way of knowing for a fact the authenticity of a teaching from the bible, is to compare it with the Qur'an.

like this

Quran 57:22: “No calamity befalls on the earth or in yourselves but it is inscribed in the Book of Decrees (Al-Lauh Al-Mahfuz) before We bring it into existence. Verily, that is easy for Allah.”

John 1:3: Through Him all things were made; without Him nothing was made that has been made.

Quran (63:64): “Then tell Me about the seed that you sow in the ground. Is it you that make it grow, or are We the Grower?”

1 Corinthians 3:7: So neither he who plants nor he who waters is anything, but only God, who makes things grow.
« Last Edit: December 22, 2015, 08:52:57 PM by Hani »
عَلامَةُ أَهْلِ الْبِدَعِ الْوَقِيعَةُ فِي أَهْلِ الأَثَرِ. وَعَلامَةُ الْجَهْمِيَّةِ أَنْ يُسَمُّوا أَهْلَ السُّنَّةِ مُشَبِّهَةً. وَعَلامَةُ الْقَدَرِيَّةِ أَنْ يُسَمُّوا أَهْلَ السُّنَّةِ مُجَبِّرَةً. وَعَلامَةُ الزَّنَادِقَةِ أَنْ يُسَمُّوا أَهْلَ الأَثَرِ حَشْوِيَّةً

Religion = simple & clear

Ibn Yahya

Re: Nahj-ul-Balaghah: Prophet left behind Allah's book
« Reply #12 on: December 23, 2015, 02:19:30 AM »
1 Corinthians 3:7: So neither he who plants nor he who waters is anything, but only God, who makes things grow.

Akhi Corinthians is a letter of Paul to the people of Corinth.

Ibn Yahya

Re: Nahj-ul-Balaghah: Prophet left behind Allah's book
« Reply #13 on: December 23, 2015, 02:25:21 AM »
Wait. Are you talking about his disciples or his apostles (i.e. His close companions)?

But before that I'd just like to inform you that what Christians call the New Testament is really mostly letters and Epistles of Paul and other Apostles. There are only actually 4 Camonical Gospels in the New Testament and they are not books of law or revelations. They are accounts of his life, in particular his; birth, baptism, sermons, trials in the desert, his Passion and his alleged Resurrection. These gospels were not chosen based on authenticity, they were chosen based on coherence with Church teaching. There are many many gospels outside of those four, most of which have been destroyed but we still have some. They are known as the Apocryphal gospels.

Whether disciples or apostles of Jesus.. they all were observant of Jewish laws and took Torah as the only Holy Book during the life of Jesus till his so-called Resurrection from Crucifixion. Jesus never handed them down a new revelation because there is no evidence indicating thus.

From my understanding Akhi a revelation was made to 'Isa because he is one of the Ulil 'Azm Prophets. And according to the Canonical Gospels they were far from obedient to Jewish law. On many occasions they berated the Pharisees and criticised their laws.

Ibn Yahya

Re: Nahj-ul-Balaghah: Prophet left behind Allah's book
« Reply #14 on: December 23, 2015, 02:27:54 AM »
Also by Fulfilling the law he meant that he was going to essentially abrogate it. But like I said this is up to the interpretation of the reader. I think it means he was going to fulfil the promise of Allah that there would be a Masih and another Prophet.

Ijtaba

Re: Nahj-ul-Balaghah: Prophet left behind Allah's book
« Reply #15 on: December 24, 2015, 03:20:49 PM »
"I never came to abolish the Law but to fulfill the Law."

Not abrogating the old laws does not mean that he never introduced new ones that discuss other matters of spirituality and wisdom, or even new verses nor does it even mean that he (as) never abrogated specific laws from Judaism but left the main body of laws intact.

Sadly we can only go so far with the scientific method, unless we had a time machine.

As previously mentioned, the only way of knowing for a fact the authenticity of a teaching from the bible, is to compare it with the Qur'an.

like this

Quran 57:22: “No calamity befalls on the earth or in yourselves but it is inscribed in the Book of Decrees (Al-Lauh Al-Mahfuz) before We bring it into existence. Verily, that is easy for Allah.”

John 1:3: Through Him all things were made; without Him nothing was made that has been made.

Quran (63:64): “Then tell Me about the seed that you sow in the ground. Is it you that make it grow, or are We the Grower?”

1 Corinthians 3:7: So neither he who plants nor he who waters is anything, but only God, who makes things grow.

By comparing Bible with Al-Quran non-muslims would argue that Al-Quran has copied verses from Bible.

We Muslims have common understanding that Nabi Musa (a.s) left behind Taurat for his community to follow but his people corrupted Taurat. Similarly Nabi Isa (a.s) left behind Injeel for his community to follow but his people corrupted Injeel. However there is no proof or evidence to support these views. We just hold these views as fact without any reliable evidence.

Protection of Taurat according to popular Muslim view is that it was the duty and responsibility of Prophets to protect Taurat. Hadhrat Maryam (s.a) would read Taurat before the birth of Nabi Isa (a.s) so would Nabi Zakarriya (a.s) and Nabi Yahya (a.s). During the time of Nabi Zakarriya (a.s) and Bibi Maryam (s.a) how can Taurat be corrupted? Wasn't it the duty of Nabi Zakarriya (a.s) to guard Taurat from corruption?

Ijtaba

Re: Nahj-ul-Balaghah: Prophet left behind Allah's book
« Reply #16 on: December 24, 2015, 03:35:16 PM »

From my understanding Akhi a revelation was made to 'Isa because he is one of the Ulil 'Azm Prophets. And according to the Canonical Gospels they were far from obedient to Jewish law. On many occasions they berated the Pharisees and criticised their laws.

I was questioning the quote of Imam Ali (a.s) given in the first post by Hani. In that quote Imam Ali (a.s) makes no distinction between Ulil Azam Prophets and Normal Prophets.

As far as my knowledge I never found Jesus criticizing Pharisees for corruption of Torah but he criticized Pharisees for their hypocrisy i.e. Pharisees did not follow what they preached. Pharisees were show-offers who were more concerned with the worldly matters than the religious matters.

Ijtaba

Re: Nahj-ul-Balaghah: Prophet left behind Allah's book
« Reply #17 on: December 24, 2015, 04:01:00 PM »
Also by Fulfilling the law he meant that he was going to essentially abrogate it. But like I said this is up to the interpretation of the reader. I think it means he was going to fulfil the promise of Allah that there would be a Masih and another Prophet.

If we follow this logic then Jesus didn't fulfil the prophecy of Messiah found in the Law as Jews are still waiting  for their Messiah to come. There are prophecies regarding Messiah which Jesus didn't fulfil and according to Christians Jesus would fulfil those prophecies in his Second Coming.

If you ask any Jew whether Jesus fulfilled the Law by fulfilling the Prophecy of Messiah.. Jews would answer - No. This is because according to Jews Jesus could not fulfil even one of the prophecy of being Messiah according to the Torah.

As popular Muslim view is that Torah was corrupted before the birth of Nabi Isa (a.s) then how could Nabi Isa (a.s) convince Jews about him being Messiah from their corrupted Torah. It is true as of today also. We cannot convince any Jew of Nabi Isa (a.s) being Messiah as Nabi Isa (a.s) could not fulfil prophecies of Messiah according to Torah which is the hands of Jews today.

Ibn Yahya

Re: Nahj-ul-Balaghah: Prophet left behind Allah's book
« Reply #18 on: December 24, 2015, 09:43:09 PM »
Also by Fulfilling the law he meant that he was going to essentially abrogate it. But like I said this is up to the interpretation of the reader. I think it means he was going to fulfil the promise of Allah that there would be a Masih and another Prophet.

If we follow this logic then Jesus didn't fulfil the prophecy of Messiah found in the Law as Jews are still waiting  for their Messiah to come. There are prophecies regarding Messiah which Jesus didn't fulfil and according to Christians Jesus would fulfil those prophecies in his Second Coming.

If you ask any Jew whether Jesus fulfilled the Law by fulfilling the Prophecy of Messiah.. Jews would answer - No. This is because according to Jews Jesus could not fulfil even one of the prophecy of being Messiah according to the Torah.

As popular Muslim view is that Torah was corrupted before the birth of Nabi Isa (a.s) then how could Nabi Isa (a.s) convince Jews about him being Messiah from their corrupted Torah. It is true as of today also. We cannot convince any Jew of Nabi Isa (a.s) being Messiah as Nabi Isa (a.s) could not fulfil prophecies of Messiah according to Torah which is the hands of Jews today.
The Jewish view of the messiah is that he will be a king not a prophet. 'Is a is not dead so he can still fulfill the prophecy

Ijtaba

Re: Nahj-ul-Balaghah: Prophet left behind Allah's book
« Reply #19 on: December 25, 2015, 12:11:07 AM »
The Jewish view of the messiah is that he will be a king not a prophet. 'Is a is not dead so he can still fulfill the prophecy

True. This was the main reason why many Jews doubted him as they believed Messiah to be the King of Jews who would deliver them from oppression and establish his kingdom.

Unfortunately Jesus did not deliver Jews from Roman oppression nor did he establish his kingdom. So Jews view Jesus as wannabe Messiah who failed to fulfill Prophecies for Messiah stated in Torah.

My main question is if Torah was corrupted during the time of Jesus ministry then why would he use corrupted Torah to prove himself to be Prophet and Messiah from GOD. He should had clearly rejected their Torah saying that it has been corrupted and brought forward the Torah which was being recited by his Mother (s.a) and uncle Nabi Zakarriya (a.s) and cousin Nabi Yahya (a.s) as true Torah in which prophecies regarding Messiah had been fulfilled by him.

Secondly he should then have said that as I have now come so the Original Torah has been completed and now new Book Injeel has to be followed. So all followers of Original Torah & Corrupted Torah leave your Torah and now follow Injeel as Torah's period of application has expired with my coming. From now onwards Injeel will be followed.

But as with Injeel there is no documented proof* that it was given to Jesus followers in a shape of a Book. If it was given to some close people to Jesus then who were those people? And did those people in turn pass the Injeel to others?

*There maybe documented proof or evidence. If someone has knowledge on Injeel being available in Written or Book form please let me know.



 

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